How China Could Replace all US Technology

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Anlsvrthng

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This is the advantage of early market participants

They can collect the experience ,market base and confidence.

Every $ that the Chinese companies pay for the USA suppliers increase by 8 yuan the required investment by China to replace the same supplier.
 

AndrewS

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This is very interesting.
  • US Companies ignoring the Entity List
  • US companies are looking to move their production, aftersales support (along with R&D?) from the USA.
  • It means they can ignore the Entity List, and sell to Huawei
  • And also means they can avoid being placed on China's Unreliable Entity List.

U.S. Tech Companies Sidestep a Trump Ban, to Keep Selling to Huawei
New York Times
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SHANGHAI — A number of the United States’ biggest chip makers have sold millions of dollars of products to Huawei despite a Trump administration ban on the sale of American technology to the Chinese telecommunications giant, according to four people with knowledge of the sales.

Since the Commerce Department enacted the ban in May, American companies including Intel and Micron have found ways to sell technology to Huawei, said the people, who spoke on the condition they not be named because they were not authorized to disclose the sales.

The components began to flow to Huawei about three weeks ago, the people said. Goods produced by American companies overseas are not always considered American-made, and the suppliers are taking advantage of this. The sales will help Huawei continue to sell products such as smartphones and servers.

The deals underscore how difficult it is for the Trump administration to clamp down on companies that it considers a national security threat, like Huawei. They also hint at the possible unintended consequences from altering the web of trade relationships that ties together the world’s electronics industry and global commerce.

The Commerce Department’s move to block sales to Huawei, by putting it on a so-called entity list, set off confusion within the Chinese company and its many American suppliers, the people said. Many executives lacked deep experience with American trade controls, leading to initial suspensions in shipments to Huawei until lawyers could puzzle out which products could be sent. Decisions about what can and cannot be shipped were also often run by the Commerce Department.

American companies may sell technology supporting current Huawei products until mid-August. But a ban on components for future Huawei products is already in place. It’s not clear what percentage of the current sales were for future products. The sales have most likely already totaled hundreds of millions of dollars, the people estimated.

While the Trump administration has been aware of the sales, officials are split about how to respond, the people said. Some officials feel that the sales violate the spirit of the law and undermine government efforts to pressure Huawei, while others are more supportive because it lightens the blow of the ban for American corporations. Huawei has said it buys around $11 billion in technology from United States companies each year.

Intel and Micron declined to comment.

“As we have discussed with the U.S. government, it is now clear some items may be supplied to Huawei consistent with the entity list and applicable regulations,” John Neuffer, the president of the Semiconductor Industry Association, wrote in a statement on Friday.

“Each company is impacted differently based on their specific products and supply chains, and each company must evaluate how best to conduct its business and remain in compliance.”

In an earnings call Tuesday afternoon, Micron’s chief executive, Sanjay Mehrotra, said the company stopped shipments to Huawei after the Commerce Department’s action last month. But it resumed sales about two weeks ago after Micron reviewed the entity list rules and “determined that we could lawfully resume” shipping a subset of products, Mr. Mehrotra said. “However, there is considerable ongoing uncertainty around the Huawei situation,” he added.

The Commerce Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The fate of Huawei, a crown jewel of Chinese innovation and technological prowess, has become a symbol of the economic and security standoff between the United States and China. The Trump administration has warned that Chinese companies like Huawei, which makes telecom networking equipment, could intercept or secretly divert information to China. Huawei has denied those charges.

President Xi Jinping of China and President Trump are expected to have an “extended” talk this week during the Group of 20 meetings in Japan, a sign that the two countries are again seeking a compromise after trade discussions broke down in May. After the talks stalled, the Trump administration announced new restrictions on Chinese technology companies.

While the Trump administration has pointed to security and legal concerns to justify its actions, some analysts have worried that Huawei and other Chinese tech companies were becoming pawns in the trade negotiations. Along with Huawei, the administration blocked a Chinese supercomputer maker from buying American tech, and it is considering adding the surveillance technology company Hikvision to the list.

Kevin Wolf, a former Commerce Department official and partner at the law firm Akin Gump, has advised several American technology companies that supply Huawei. He said he told executives that Huawei’s addition to the list did not prevent American suppliers from continuing sales, as long as the goods and services weren’t made in the United States.

A chip, for example, can still be supplied to Huawei if it is manufactured outside the United States and doesn’t contain technology that can pose national security risks. But there are limits on sales from American companies. If the chip maker provides services from the United States for troubleshooting or instruction on how to use the product, for example, the company would not be able to sell to Huawei even if the physical chip were made overseas, Mr. Wolf said.

“This is not a loophole or an interpretation because there is no ambiguity,” he said. “It’s just esoteric.”

In some cases, American companies aren’t the only source of important technology, but they want to avoid losing Huawei’s valuable business to a foreign rival. For instance, the Idaho-based Micron competes with South Korean companies like Samsung and SK Hynix to supply memory chips that go into Huawei’s smartphones. If Micron is unable to sell to Huawei, orders could easily be shifted to those rivals.

Beijing has also pressured American companies. This month, the Chinese government said it would create an “
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” to punish companies and individuals it perceived as damaging Chinese interests. The following week, China’s chief economic planning agency
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, including representatives from Microsoft, Dell and Apple. It warned them that cutting off sales to Chinese companies could lead to punishment and hinted that the companies should lobby the United States government to stop the bans. The stakes are high for some of the American companies, like Apple, which relies on China for many sales and for much of its production.

Mr. Wolf said several companies had scrambled to figure out how to continue sales to Huawei, with some businesses considering a total shift of manufacturing and services of some products overseas. The escalating trade battle between the United States and China is “causing companies to fundamentally rethink their supply chains,” he added.

That could mean that American companies shift their know-how, on top of production, outside the United States, where it would be less easy for the government to control, said Martin Chorzempa, a research fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

“American companies can move some things out of China if that’s problematic for their supply chain, but they can also move the tech development out of the U.S. if that becomes problematic,” he said. “And China remains a large market.”

“Some of the big winners might be other countries,” Mr. Chorzempa said.

Some American companies have complained that complying with the tight restrictions is difficult or impossible, and will take a toll on their business.
On Monday, FedEx filed a lawsuit against the federal government, claiming that the Commerce Department’s rules placed an “impossible burden” on a company like FedEx to know the origin and technological makeup of all the shipments it handles.

FedEx’s complaint didn’t name Huawei specifically. But it said that the agency’s rules that have prohibited exporting American technology to Chinese companies placed “an unreasonable burden on FedEx to police the millions of shipments that transit our network every day.”

“FedEx is a transportation company, not a law enforcement agency,” the company said.

A Commerce Department spokesman said it had not yet reviewed FedEx’s complaint but would defend the agency’s role in protecting national security.
 
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Western chipmakers worry Huawei ban will only empower China tech
Nikkei

Qualcomm, AMD and Arm fear $200bn market swaying to homegrown rivals

TAIPEI/PALO ALTO, U.S. -- American and European semiconductor companies are shunning China's Huawei Technologies to abide by Washington's blacklist, but they worry that the resulting supply gap will only propel Chinese technologies to advance and eventually dominate their massive home market.

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Hendrik_2000

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Via xyz here come FPGA
Anlogic is going for high-end market now

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FPGA Designer Anlogic Closes its Series D Round of Financing
By Shang Yang
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Anlogic (上海安路信息科技有限公司), one of China’s young but towering FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Arrays) designers, completed its Series D round of financing with an undisclosed amount. This funding was led by three original shareholders, Huada Smiconductor (华大半导体), CITIC Capital and the founding team of Anlogic, and followed by three new investors, ICF (国家集成电路产业投资基金股份有限公司), Shenzhen Capital Group (深圳市创新投资集团有限公司) and Houzai Chengzhang (苏州厚载成长投资管理合伙企业). Before this funding, Anlogic has completed three rounds of financing.

Supported by this funding, Anlogic plans to develop several new products, including 28 nanometer FPGA, 12 nanometer FPGA, and SoC FPGA, seeking for high performance, low cost, and reliability. These new products will be employed in multiple scenarios such as communication, industrial control, display, consumer electronics, as well we some applications of artificial intelligence.

Founded in 2011, Anlogic focuses on FPGA, SOC (System on a chip), customized FPGA solutions and related designing software. Its core products – under mass production or being developed – are made of three series: PHOENIX, EAGLE and ELF, which are mainly different in functions and prices. Besides, Anlogic provides another software to its clients: Tang Dynasty, an application platform for engineers.

The firms like Anlogic are the part of upstream in the semiconductor industry. Anlogic provides products for semiconductors all around the world. The company’s headquarter is in Zhang Jiang high tech Park, Shanghai, which is regarded as the Silicon Valley in China as its industrial ecosystem in the field of the integrated circuit, software and biomedicine.

High-tech companies always spare no efforts to recruit tech talents, Anlogic is not an exception. Its founding team consists of top scientists, engineers and business management experts. And 70% of its R&D team members graduated from top universities in the world with master degree or Ph.D., including Fudan University, Shanghai Jiaotong University, Tsinghua University, Beijing University, Chinese Academy of Sciences, UCLA, UIUC, UCSD and so on.

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Hendrik_2000

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People forgot that many of silicon valley high tech company founder are Chinese via xyz

World-renowned chip designer locates global headquarters in SND
Updated: May 23, 2019 chinadaily.com.cn

Analogix Semiconductor Inc decides to relocate its global headquarters to Suzhou Innovation Park in Suzhou New District of Jiangsu province on May 22. [Photo/WeChat account: snd-szgxqfb]

Analogix Semiconductor Inc, a world-renowned chip designer, decided to relocate its global headquarters to Suzhou Innovation Park in Suzhou New District of Jiangsu province on May 22.

Analogix plans to relocate its holding company Jiangxin Zhiben to the district as listed main body in the future and Analogix's global headquarters.

Analogix will work with Suzhou New District to promote the development of the district's integrated circuit industry and attract more relevant projects to SND.

Founded in 2002, Analogix designs and manufactures high-performance analog and mixed-signal semiconductors for the digital media market. Its former headquarters were in Santa Clara, the United States. It has also established operation offices in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

The Suzhou Innovation Park houses the first group of national high-tech business incubators in China and is a national innovation park for overseas returnees.

To date, the park has introduced more than 18,000 hi-tech talents, cultivated over 1,800 tech companies and completed more than 1,600 sci-tech projects.

Suzhou New District has always regarded new-generation information technology, especially the integrate circuit industry, as crucial to optimizing industrial structure and accelerating industrial transformation.

At present, the district houses a group of leading companies in the field, including Suzhou Everbright Photonics Co and C*Core Technology Co, making it a hub of new-generation information technology in Suzhou.

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Dr. Kewei Yang founded Analogix Semiconductor, Inc. in 2002 and serves its Chief Executive Officer and Chairman. Dr. Yang served as the President of Analogix Semiconductor, Inc. until August 11, 2017. Dr. Yang's career has been spent focusing on high-speed analog and mixed-signal design. Previously, he served as Vice President of Engineering at Mindspeed, a division of Conexant, where he was responsible for Conexant's development of high-speed transceivers and switch fabric ICs. He joined with Conexant via its acquisition of HotRail, where he served as Chief Scientist. Dr. Yang also served as a Lead Designer at Rendition, a graphics chip company and at HP in the Computer Technology Lab. Dr. Yang, prior to HotRail, served as Lead Circuit Designer at Rendition. Before that he worked at Hewlett Packard labs. Dr. Yang has a BSEE from Tsinghua University and an MSEE and Ph.D. from John Hopkins.
 

localizer

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i’ve spoken to him before, they make all the chips in those cables we use (hdmi,usbc,...)

though he got sued but overcame :), hope he does the legal work correctly this time
 
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vesicles

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It seems that many distinguish domestic technologies and export/import. My view is that the two are always connected, especially with the increasing technological complexity of our products.

If you think about it, I don’t think you can simply sell your own domestic products (with solely your own technologies) to someone without importing other products with foreign technologies. Such one-way street can never work in this day and age. When you import foreign goods, you automatically depend on those foreign goods and how those goods are made, hence foreign techs and foreign influences.

Just look at how American companies depend on Chinese manufactured goods. Yes, many of those goods are manufactured in China using American technologies. Yet, they still depend on the Chinese manufacturing and are influenced by the Chinese decisions. Since this whole argument about developing completely independent tech is about being free of foreign influences, having completely independent tech won’t do it.

Before long, China will be in a similar boat. Chinese companies may independently develop and own certain technology. Yet, they may need foreign manufacturing because of cost issues, etc. Then the Chinese automatically become dependent on the political/economic decisions made by the government, where their factories are based. The Chinese may also depend on foreign decisions on whether to buy their products.

In fact, Huawei is experiencing that at this very moment. Huawei is the absolute leader in 5G tech. They own most of the patents in 5G. Yet, they are hurting now because the US is banning the use of their tech.

Again, please keep in mind that this whole discussion is about whether it’s possible and/or how to be free of foreign influences. My view is that, at this day and age, even if you own 100% of your own tech, you cannot be free of foreign influences. In this globalized world, some aspect of doing business will involve foreign elements, thus subject to foreign influences. Either technology development, manufacturing, sales, etc. will involve foreign influences. So why fight it? Embrace it and use it to your advantage! Use the influence to form alliances with partners with common interests.
 

solarz

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It seems that many distinguish domestic technologies and export/import. My view is that the two are always connected, especially with the increasing technological complexity of our products.

If you think about it, I don’t think you can simply sell your own domestic products (with solely your own technologies) to someone without importing other products with foreign technologies. Such one-way street can never work in this day and age. When you import foreign goods, you automatically depend on those foreign goods and how those goods are made, hence foreign techs and foreign influences.

Just look at how American companies depend on Chinese manufactured goods. Yes, many of those goods are manufactured in China using American technologies. Yet, they still depend on the Chinese manufacturing and are influenced by the Chinese decisions. Since this whole argument about developing completely independent tech is about being free of foreign influences, having completely independent tech won’t do it.

Before long, China will be in a similar boat. Chinese companies may independently develop and own certain technology. Yet, they may need foreign manufacturing because of cost issues, etc. Then the Chinese automatically become dependent on the political/economic decisions made by the government, where their factories are based. The Chinese may also depend on foreign decisions on whether to buy their products.

In fact, Huawei is experiencing that at this very moment. Huawei is the absolute leader in 5G tech. They own most of the patents in 5G. Yet, they are hurting now because the US is banning the use of their tech.

Again, please keep in mind that this whole discussion is about whether it’s possible and/or how to be free of foreign influences. My view is that, at this day and age, even if you own 100% of your own tech, you cannot be free of foreign influences. In this globalized world, some aspect of doing business will involve foreign elements, thus subject to foreign influences. Either technology development, manufacturing, sales, etc. will involve foreign influences. So why fight it? Embrace it and use it to your advantage! Use the influence to form alliances with partners with common interests.

The real issue here is that the Americans have a quasi-monopoly on certain technologies, and they are now using it for negotiation leverage.

The counter to a monopoly is diversification, but in the absence of any viable suppliers in non-US countries (or countries that are not subject to US political influence), China's only alternative is to be self-reliant.

Certainly, if the world was more multi-polar, and technologies were not held by a single political faction/alliance, then globalization would work just fine. Unfortunately, we are not there yet, so there needs to be back up measures.
 

vesicles

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The real issue here is that the Americans have a quasi-monopoly on certain technologies, and they are now using it for negotiation leverage.

The counter to a monopoly is diversification, but in the absence of any viable suppliers in non-US countries (or countries that are not subject to US political influence), China's only alternative is to be self-reliant.

Certainly, if the world was more multi-polar, and technologies were not held by a single political faction/alliance, then globalization would work just fine. Unfortunately, we are not there yet, so there needs to be back up measures.

If you look at how the events are developing now, you will see that things are not working in the way you are imagining. The US is holding monopolies of many technologies. However, many American companies are voicing their displeasure for punishing the Chinese companies and the tariffs because of the Chinese manufacturing abilities, not their technologies. And this is happening across a wide spectrum of tech levels, from super computers to apparels. Even with such sizable monopolies, the US is now under tremendous pressure and influence from the Chinese.

As you can see, holding a technological monopoly is not making things easier for the American companies. And it is not making it easier for the US government to achieve their goals either.

I am in no way advocating that China should depend on foreign techs for everything. China should develop their own technologies as hard as they can and a healthy competition between American and Chinese companies will advance the technologies in every field. However, the mentality of becoming independent of foreign techs is very dangerous. It IS isolationism in every sense of the word.

Even when the Chinese do eventually achieve their complete technological independence, what will prevent them from experiencing the same difficulties and “unfair” influences that the American companies are experiencing now against China? This is not the way to go.
 

vesicles

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The real issue here is that the Americans have a quasi-monopoly on certain technologies, and they are now using it for negotiation leverage.

During a negotiation, each side will hold certain advantages. You cannot expect to eliminate all of them.

What if you are negotiating with another nation with a huge market? They will use their market as a strength in the negotiation. How will you eliminate that? Increase your population to become an even bigger market? You don’t expect to eliminate every strength of your opponent in a negotiation. You counter with your own strength.
 
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