Burning Tankers, the Strait of Hormuz situation 6/2019

Unreliable source? Objective?

This is what number five by my count of times denying the produced evidence, and claiming that the US is producing a fiction.
Which is a Conspiracy Theory.
You are saying straight up that the US as fabricated the Evidence it has produced in order to push a narrative without producing evidence of your own other than the line that
Claiming a “propensity for US to fabricate evidence and narrative.”
Which is either referencing conspiracy theory or narrative that you view as legitimate based on your political spectrum.

So I will say this again.
If you claim that the US is fabricating this then you are pushing a conspiracy by the US Government to frame the Iranian Revolutionary Guard corps without visible evidence other than a personal bias.
This is either to create a False Flag narrative.
Create the Fake news Narrative which is tent amount to the same.
Deflect away from some other party which boils down to the same.

yes, No smoking gun,

"No WMD in Iraq" is not a conspiracy theory despite all the US fabricated "indisputable" evidence provided to UN. Who are the conspiracist?
Trump Administration is also far from being a reliable source.
Hence, “propensity for US to fabricate evidence and narrative.” making US not a reliable source.

Anyway your political bias indoctrination makes any discussion mute so let it be,
 
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SouthernSky

Junior Member
If the reporting about US strikes against Iran being given the green light only to be rescinded are accurate, I have the view that Donald now looks weak and indecisive. The "leaks like a sieve" mentality that surrounds this administration makes for interesting viewing.

Loose lips sink ships....
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It is a conspiracy theory as this far you have only produced an intelligence failure spun as deception.
A failure that had some basis in historical fact. Sadam did bomb both the Iranians and his own population with chemical weapons.
And Chemical weapons were found in Iraq and kept secret for ten years. ISIS got their hands on it and used it on a number of occasions in Iraq.
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What was gotten wrong was that their was not an active WMD program.
But that has no barring in this case save to try and dismiss the Evidence produced thus far.
By those members who wish to paint the US has creating fabrication which is a Conspiracy theory.

Is what is happening a smoking gun?
have I used that term in this context? No.
When I opened this thread I posted the then released video, reports including the Japanese report. Since that I have found and been attacked with a constant stream of attempts to dismiss those as falsehoods. From Post #3 claiming it stinks of False Flag.
To this very post.
With all the classic tactics of a Conspiracy theorists used against me, Loaded what if questions, Hearsay evidence claimed as eyewitness testimony, using supposed past events to paint a history of the US faking evidence, denial of the origin of the video, And Asif I love for Denial of the whole affair!!
attempts at attacking my morals by both adoption of a condescending position and attempts at painting me as a full blood Trump Character.
Tries to paint me as pro war, and now political indoctrination as one of the few members of this forum who has not taken an solid Anti-American anti-Western stance.

Well then what’s the point of this forum at all? Why not ditch the World affairs section and heck why not delete any member who doesn’t take a hard anti West stance because you can’t talk to them... even better ask webby to transfer the whole thing to a Pakistani or Chinese server only. Because apparently any other views are not appropriate.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I mean no offence, but reputation of US-provided proofs is really that awful.

Maybe the US shall try bothering to prove something, instead of bulling everyone into agreeing.
You mean like sitting in front of the U.N. giving what they had. Producing to the world Video, Photography of the alien objects taking the time release photos from Helicopters flying in the area of the ships... you mean what they just did?

I saw someone else in a news forum commenting on this same situation they said that the US could provide video of the IRGC planting the Mines, removing the mines follow them all the way back to base provide fingerprints of those involved as well as IRGC personal files and people would still claim it as fake.
I didn’t believe him but now...
 

solarz

Brigadier
It is a conspiracy theory as this far you have only produced an intelligence failure spun as deception.
A failure that had some basis in historical fact. Sadam did bomb both the Iranians and his own population with chemical weapons.
And Chemical weapons were found in Iraq and kept secret for ten years. ISIS got their hands on it and used it on a number of occasions in Iraq.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

What was gotten wrong was that their was not an active WMD program.
But that has no barring in this case save to try and dismiss the Evidence produced thus far.
By those members who wish to paint the US has creating fabrication which is a Conspiracy theory.

Is what is happening a smoking gun?
have I used that term in this context? No.
When I opened this thread I posted the then released video, reports including the Japanese report. Since that I have found and been attacked with a constant stream of attempts to dismiss those as falsehoods. From Post #3 claiming it stinks of False Flag.
To this very post.
With all the classic tactics of a Conspiracy theorists used against me, Loaded what if questions, Hearsay evidence claimed as eyewitness testimony, using supposed past events to paint a history of the US faking evidence, denial of the origin of the video, And Asif I love for Denial of the whole affair!!
attempts at attacking my morals by both adoption of a condescending position and attempts at painting me as a full blood Trump Character.
Tries to paint me as pro war, and now political indoctrination as one of the few members of this forum who has not taken an solid Anti-American anti-Western stance.

Well then what’s the point of this forum at all? Why not ditch the World affairs section and heck why not delete any member who doesn’t take a hard anti West stance because you can’t talk to them... even better ask webby to transfer the whole thing to a Pakistani or Chinese server only. Because apparently any other views are not appropriate.

Geeze, persecution complex much?

Look Terran, you are obviously very knowledgeable in military matters, but in this scenario your arguments do not hold water.

You dismiss eye witness accounts as "hearsay", because those accounts were reported by the company president, which by the way, is how all organizations relay any information.

You insist that the video the USN produced is evidence of an Iranian attack, when it shows no such thing, then you berate anyone who disagrees with your views as conspiracy theorists.

Frankly, I expected better of you.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
You dismiss eye witness accounts as "hearsay", because those accounts were reported by the company president, which by the way, is how all organizations relay any information.
I tell you his eye sight is better than Superman!! Not only can he see almost 78,000KM but when you factor in curvature of the earth he sees through the planet!!

No I berate those that don’t consider that other than the single press release there is no evidence other than that of the US.

I point to it as evidence of Limpet mines and that one was removed by a type of craft identical to those of the IRGC.

Would you like me to reproduce all the attacks on me. It’s all easily done.
 

localizer

Colonel
Registered Member
The US has to respond to this. The best way to show the world, and especially China, that it's the boss is a total domination victory over Iran. The new toys need to be tried out.
 
All I said was given US reputation for fabricating evidence and narrative. A healthy dose of skepticism is good.

I was then attacked for being a conspiracy theorist and being burdened to disprove his narrative. Waste of time.

At no point did I state any conspiracy except the fact relating to US propensity to fabricate evidence and narrative.
 
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Gloire_bb

Captain
Registered Member
You mean like sitting in front of the U.N. giving what they had
yeah, test tubes. I remember.

Photography of the alien objects taking the time release photos from Helicopters flying in the area of the ships... you mean what they just did?
Yes. but tanker damage doesn't even resemble mine damage. And the crew&ship owner doesn't even mention them.
What they mention are flying objects, and visible damage precisely matches flying objects.

Someone is lying.
 
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