Trade War with China

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AndrewS

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Well, they're wrong. Great divergence was caused by first mover's advantage in industrialization 1.0

But what caused the feedback loop that triggered industrialisation?

I think you do need a stable society where people and companies have the confidence to invest in developing speculative technologies, because most of them don't go anywhere.
And a society which is flexible enough to cope with the resulting technological change and disruption to people
And access to a large market to sell the resulting increase in production (eg. urbanisation with farmers moving to the cities and/or foreign trade)

When I looked at it before, I really do think that China in the 19th century was in a high-level equilibrium trap, where demand and supply were balanced, because the economy was largely closed to the outside world.

And escaping the trap would have required external trade and also somewhere for excess peasants to go.

So imagine if China had continued the Zheng He voyages back in the 15th Century and established a trading network in Asia and also in California, before the Europeans arrived.
Or if China had colonised Australia in the 19th Century, before the British arrived.

Australia and California would have had lots of land, but very few Chinese settlers.
  • That would have driven high wages in Australia and California
  • They would also provide an outlet for surplus Chinese peasants because a) lots of land is available b) technological change in China is causing a population boom, but there aren't enough jobs in the cities nor enough land for more farmers.
The world would look very different to what it is today.
 

Max Demian

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Hi, Max, I replied this to Jura in the other thread:

" Well, whatever your intentions are, your sarcastic tone is suggesting to me that you think all our effort to resist and counter action against Trump administration's attack on China is futile, that we should just drop our weapons and surrender. I am telling you we don't give a shit about what you think, and no amount of your derision can weaken our resolve.

If Huawei persists and fight on, even if it dies, it is worthy of being Chinese. If Huawei chickens out and capitulates, it is garbage. "

I am not bashing the US. Just like the majority of Chinese people, even those who actively work in jobs that are meant to counter the US (like intelligence, propaganda, military, etc), they don't hate the USA. I remember you mentioned that you are concerned about the US-bashing in this forum. So I need to push this thought through.

The majority of Chinese people don't hate the USA, instead we admire the USA. But this does NOT mean we will be willing to capitulate to the USA and sacrifice our national interest in order to show how much we adorn the USA. After all, we are Chinese, China is our homeland. We don't want to see it burned and destroyed, or to let it sink as low as a virtual colony where all the sweat and hard work of our people are plundered by the big capitals of the USA, without even putting up a fight.

My chief concern in this subforum is the blind nationalism and even Han chauvinism (which apparently was not successfully dealt with by Mao) expressed by a number of Chinese people posting here. Ironically, some of the staments I read here are very much in line with the Nationalist China mainlander thinking/behaviour of the mid 20th century. This retrograde mentality breeds irrationality, greatly diminishing the quality of discussions on this forum.
 

CMP

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wow. and here i thought i could count on every vietnamese to hate china or chinese lol

Compare with Trump and white MSM,white racist call China and Chinese or other non white people then thing Chinese Nationalist comments is nothing. You just looking on CNN, CNBC, CBC, BBC, Bloomberg then you will see those Chinese response is not hard enough. When you call Chinese is in mid 20 century then i call all white people still live in Colonialism era.
For me personally i think all white people is biggest hypocrite and illusion people. They think they build this world, they think all people around world is in debt with them. Earth will stop spin if not have white people. They call non white is subhuman peasant, a leech can't live with out white. They think they do favor for their colony when actually is robbing, murder, rape, enslave. If i have red button to launch nuclear ICBM then i will not wait single second to fire to US and Europe.
P/s: don't mind me, i just a crazy litle Vietnamese.
 

Lnk111229

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wow. and here i thought i could count on every vietnamese to hate china or chinese lol
Well hate China or Chinese is trend in Vietnam. Vietnamese can blame everything bad is Chinese fault. Or talk bullshit about thing in China even this not related to Vietnam. I remember some comments on video on YouTube about Chinese demolition old bridge to build new. They comments something like China bridge is cheap, weak can be blow up just by few blow of dynamite, meanwhile US bridge is build to last century, can withstand ton of dynamite explosion without crack. Or they blame Formosa environment disaster to Chinese while this company is Taiwan company ( some Vietnamese don't approve 1 China policy).
 

Appix

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I must say it feels good to hear some positive words from a Vietnamese about China. We read and hear hate/dislike 24/7 from foreigners and foreign media about our home country that we do not know better or never expect anything else. How can we thank you, LNK111229? I like to thank you for kind words.
 
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