Solving Hong Kong problem, shut down its Universities permanently, hotbeds for radicalization

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tidalwave

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Well, in 1989 students from mainland universities organized protests, so I suppose all mainland universities should be shut down too? Heck, even better education should just be shut down and the country should just return to Cultural Revolution days and have young people roaming the streets rededicating all those that have been tainted by the evils of education, right?
Tactical move means well selected targets. Don't grossly generalize the situation.
 

tidalwave

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@tidalwave
How about you take this totalitarian BS somewhere else? I am reporting you to the moderators.

Whats totalitarian? People are created equal, totalitarian or non totalitarian. China also can say this is democratic BS. So, its relatively. Theres no right or wrong for any political system. The only meaning is what's for the country security.
 

manqiangrexue

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LOL this one is spicy (sarcastic or not):
I actually wanted to edit that because I didn't want it to sound like I'm advocating assassinations. I mean if the extradition bill is passed quickly enough, the legally extradite them; if not, arrest them middle of the night and drive that van to ShenZhen.
Well, while CIA agents have a free hand to operate in HK (I learned about this after studying at the Chinese University of Hong Kong), so do Chinese businessmen and women who want to circumvent U.S. sanctions and tariffs. That's because of Hong Kong's special status and treatment under the One Country Two Systems formula. Yes, Beijing's power projections have been limited, but its ability to be connected with the U.S.-led global economic system has been enhanced by HK's special status. If the extradition bill is signed into law, while HK's free press and universities are shut down, the economic pains for Beijing would be unpredictable. Also, doing so would risk turning HK into another Xinjiang, if not worse. When it comes to identity politics, Beijing really have to swallow the bitter pill that Hong Kongers have a distinct colonial culture (similar colonial culture also exists in Shanghai and other rich Chinese cities to a lesser extent). It is one thing to denigrate Hong Kongers as "white men's prostitutes and coolies," but the reality is that such colonial culture does exist, and it will take generations for Hong Kongers to integrate themselves with China. Taking away their autonomy under the current situation would only make matters worse, exacerbating the identity conflict. In addition to the colonial cultural identity, although Hong Kong has never been a direct democracy, it does have a strong liberal civic political culture and an independent judiciary. This means Hong Kongers believe that while they are ok being part of China, they should be entitled to their own fair elections separated from the Mainland's political and judiciary systems. Under the One Country Two Systems formula, Beijing's responsibilities would ideally be limited to territorial defense and foreign policy only, while preserving Hong Kong's political and judicial systems.
How important is this special economic relationship? I don't think HK exports have shot up since the tariffs (Vietnam's have). Eventually, HK will have this removed and be completely integrated into the mainland, so this would be an expedition of that process. The argument is whether the long-term benefits of faster integration (and there are many benefits, generations of cooperation rather than antagonization) outweigh the immediate economic risks, and I tend to always favor long-term investments. The current situation in HK is a joke and highly insulting to China; how can there be a legal stronghold for anti-Chinese activity in China?? It's ridiculous and needs to be stopped, even if there is a short term price.
Much easier to destroy than controlling of a situation. Take out universities then their nest is destroyed.

The only backlash I can think of is
their parents will send them somewhere except Hongkong. They have to get on with their livelihood. They cant afford waste all their lives doing nothing for a long time in HK and cause trouble in Street.
Yeah, that's too easy; it's causing too much collateral damage to yourself. To kill a parasite, it's easy to just burn the whole person but it's not the right way; you need to actually perform surgery to remove the parasite.

You're advocating destroying prestigious institutions that took decades to build and have a vast amount of talent that is not guaranteed to go to China when they lose their jobs. And it's not necessary to do so; Chinese agents can outplay CIA, especially with the rules and university in their favor. Make sure the presidents of these 8 universities are all pro-Beijing. What do Chinese agents have to fear from CIA in that situation?

The backlash will be enormous, throughout the world. You cannot destroy all the education in an area! It's seen as you going mad. It's more desperate and crazy than Trump's blanket tariffs. The world will think China has gone back to the cultural revolution and people with talent will start fleeing. What modern mega-city has no higher education? It's ridiculous!
@tidalwave
How about you take this totalitarian BS somewhere else? I am reporting you to the moderators.
This is safeguarding China's national interests. Foreign governments sending agents into Hong Kong to operate against China is BS. Your country's values are BS. If you have so many complaints about what people discuss, go somewhere else. We don't trumpet Western values here; get over it.
 
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Broccoli

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Whats totalitarian? People are created equal, totalitarian or non totalitarian. China also can say this is democratic BS. So, its relatively. Theres no right or wrong for any political system. The only meaning is what's for the country security.

I guess we all should move to North Korea.

It seems like an a jolly place.
 

tidalwave

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I actually wanted to edit that because I didn't want it to sound like I'm advocating assassinations. I mean if the extradition bill is passed quickly enough, the legally extradite them; if not, arrest them middle of the night and drive that van to ShenZhen.

How important is this special economic relationship? I don't think HK exports have shot up since the tariffs (Vietnam's have). Eventually, HK will have this removed and be completely integrated into the mainland, so this would be an expedition of that process. The argument is whether the long-term benefits of faster integration (and there are many benefits, generations of cooperation rather than antagonization) outweigh the immediate economic risks, and I tend to always favor long-term investments. The current situation in HK is a joke and highly insulting to China; how can there be a legal stronghold for anti-Chinese activity in China?? It's ridiculous and needs to be stopped, even if there is a short term price.

Yeah, that's too easy; it's causing too much collateral damage to yourself. To kill a parasite, it's easy to just burn the whole person but it's not the right way; you need to actually perform surgery to remove the parasite.

You're advocating destroying prestigious institutions that took decades to build and have a vast amount of talent that is not guaranteed to go to China when they lose their jobs. And it's not necessary to do so; Chinese agents can outplay CIA, especially with the rules and university in their favor. Make sure the presidents of these 8 universities are all pro-Beijing. What do Chinese agents have to fear from CIA in that situation?

The backlash will be enormous, throughout the world. You cannot destroy all the education in an area! It's seen as you going mad. It's more desperate and crazy than Trump's blanket tariffs. The world will think China has gone back to the cultural revolution and people with talent will start fleeing. What modern mega-city has no higher education? It's ridiculous!

This is safeguarding China's national interests. Foreign governments sending agents into Hong Kong to operate against China is BS. Your country's values are BS. If you have so many complaints about what people discuss, go somewhere else. We don't trumpet Western values here; get over it.
Just come over to shenzhen or Guangzhou universities for higher learning. It's not far and also cheaper

This is the easiest solution. Much better than send paramilitary troops from mainland to HK to suppress riots one day.
 
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tidalwave

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I don't have an issue with you advocating non-western values and culture. I do have an issue when people (like OP) start advocating totalitarianism and human rights violation, and with persons who try to defend that.
Universities are just like businesses. They can be out of business.
Don't get too emotional in that.
 

SpicySichuan

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The current situation in HK is a joke and highly insulting to China; how can there be a legal stronghold for anti-Chinese activity in China?? It's ridiculous and needs to be stopped, even if there is a short term price.
The current conflicts are because of identity and cultural conflicts. However, if Beijing responds with heavy-handed tactics (like in 1989), it risks turning HK from a global financial center into another Xinjiang or Tibet. Yes, Hong Kong is the best channel for Chinese companies - including SOES - to avoid U.S. tariffs and sanctions. Unless Beijing hopes to return to pre-1978 autarky, Hong Kong would always have a special role for Chinese international traders and investors, unless China becomes the dominant economic power and no longer be vulnerable to Western sanctions. It is not clear if China could achieve such dominance by 2047. Why can't Chinese leaders just acknowledge that there is indeed ideological and cultural differences between Hong Kongers and Mainlanders and preserve HK's high degree of autonomy until 2047? For the sake of economy and stability, why not allow limited democracy in HK and protect HK's independent judiciary system as long as the latter does not seek independence?
 
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