Trade War with China
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Jura The idiot
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now I read
29d ago · 5 min read
Who controls Huawei? Here’s an explainer on its ownership structure
AssassinsMace
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Looks like someone is upset the Trade War thread has been reopened hoping to get it shut down again with his anti-China rhetoric.
Normies get out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
manqiangrexue
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That was pretty long but can be summed up as Huawei announcing that it's privately owned and explaining its structure as 2 Western journalists with no access to Huawei's information other than what is publicly known are bell-bent on making assertions and assumptions that it's not.
Brumby
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Resorting to denial does not change the facts. Have you read the actual research report? I have.
The summary page.
In property law, there are ownership test in determining who has actual use and control over the assets i.e. the company. It is not a matter of personal opinion but a matter of fact.
According to the report which made an effort in explaining the concept of “ownership”, the conclusion is the employee profit sharing scheme does not constitute ownership.
Such a conclusion is drawn from the fact that the employee arrangement is a contractual and not a property right.
manqiangrexue
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There is nothing in the conclusion that definitively pins Huawei's ownership to the Chinese government and resorting to denial does not change that fact. Everything is, "...if... then maybe..." There is no conclusive evidence at all. It's just like America's "evidence" against Huawei spying is all, "if.. then they could..." Basically the whole paper is about how the authors imagine a government-owned Huawei would be set up.
And by the way, there's nothing wrong at all with an SOE.
Google was not banned from China. They took themselves out of China. They even operated in China for years. But they refused to comply with regulations of censorship, that is their corporate decision. That's actually Brin's decision and he had a big fight with Eric Schmidt over it. So they relocated themselves to Hong Kong but Google still kept all sorts of developmental labs in China even today.
I am quite interested with Huawei's ownership structure. I actually think its revolutionary and disruptive, leads to higher productivity, compared to the US model, where its at the expense of the workers in favor of CEO pay.
All this talk about the nature of Huawei's ownership and its conduct as a corollary of this ownership is really just a distraction from the real point of the matter!
The media has redirected attention away from the key point of contention here. It is not so much a fear of Huawei serving the CCP's interests. The guys who are attacking Huawei have known exactly how much it does well before Huawei became a household name to even Chinese diaspora. It is just a way to play innocent and make their attacks seem well reasoned. These groups just want to prevent Huawei from becoming a dominant telecom player on a global level, the trajectory it was advancing on and hopefully continues on albeit with a slowdown. Obviously every action done against will be responded to with interest so Brumby's right about one thing. This whole trade war will only have losers. Some must be looking on with glee.
Apple is quickly dying despite massive US government support in various forms. Hopefully Chinese consumers finally dig their own heads out of the sand and realise how the West have been taking advantage of China this whole time! They still spin it the other way round
Chinese have been buying their overpriced stuff while working in factories for peanuts making optimal quality/value products for the profit of western elites and corporations for decades. Only recently have Chinese investments started paying off in the form of education, infrastructure, defense, and an form of quasi-organisation that developed out of a coherent national strategy that was only made possible with an authoritarianism that took certain individual liberties for a long-term payoff. It's no coincidence this is the point in history where the usual colonialists slavers are huffing and puffing with frustration again. We need allies in this struggle. It's a pity the developing world have mostly been misled by the glitz and glamour of the devil.
The media has redirected attention away from the key point of contention here. It is not so much a fear of Huawei serving the CCP's interests. The guys who are attacking Huawei have known exactly how much it does well before Huawei became a household name to even Chinese diaspora. It is just a way to play innocent and make their attacks seem well reasoned. These groups just want to prevent Huawei from becoming a dominant telecom player on a global level, the trajectory it was advancing on and hopefully continues on albeit with a slowdown. Obviously every action done against will be responded to with interest so Brumby's right about one thing. This whole trade war will only have losers. Some must be looking on with glee.
Apple is quickly dying despite massive US government support in various forms. Hopefully Chinese consumers finally dig their own heads out of the sand and realise how the West have been taking advantage of China this whole time! They still spin it the other way round
Chinese have been buying their overpriced stuff while working in factories for peanuts making optimal quality/value products for the profit of western elites and corporations for decades. Only recently have Chinese investments started paying off in the form of education, infrastructure, defense, and an form of quasi-organisation that developed out of a coherent national strategy that was only made possible with an authoritarianism that took certain individual liberties for a long-term payoff. It's no coincidence this is the point in history where the usual colonialists slavers are huffing and puffing with frustration again. We need allies in this struggle. It's a pity the developing world have mostly been misled by the glitz and glamour of the devil.Anyways, I just noticed that the People's Daily has a new article with the words "勿谓言之不预" in it, a phrase that typically only used by China before formally declaring war. In this case, the first move will mostly likely be on restricting exports of rare earth materials to American firms as indicated in the article.
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