055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

Should we base it on population though? As others said economic conditions and operational needs I think are more important

getready said:

Should we base it on population though? As others said economic conditions and operational needs I think are more important

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I sometimes have the feeling, certain members follow their own logic ... by the same misplaced logic at the Key-Forum a few weeks ago one Russian fan-boy calculated that Russia should be able to build, field and operate a fleet of 5 - or I think he even suggested 6 - CVN carrier battle groups by 2028. I'm not sure what he used, but he connected population, overall tonnage of operational ships, BIP, the consume of Vodka plus the average temperature in Moscow during spring.

getready said:

Should we base it on population though? As others said economic conditions and operational needs I think are more important

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It is very interesting to note that South Korea's ship building industry is the world's largest in terms of tonnage.
China's shipyards still has a lot to catch up in terms of capacity, not only for commercial ships, but also military ships.

From wikipedia:

Global Shipbuilding Industry
Rank Country Completed Gross tonnage in 2018, 000s
1 South Korea 49,600
2 China 43,900
3 Japan 13,005

Peter2018 said:

It is very interesting to note that South Korea's ship building industry is the world's largest in terms of tonnage.
China's shipyards still has a lot to catch up in terms of capacity, not only for commercial ships, but also military ships.

From wikipedia:

Global Shipbuilding Industry
Rank Country Completed Gross tonnage in 2018, 000s
1 South Korea 49,600
2 China 43,900
3 Japan 13,005

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Please check the sources of this Wikipedia entry. It is supposedly based on data provided by Statista. However, the reference page points to a 2017 statistics. I am not sure whether the 2018 stats are available yet, or is it available only to paying members, I couldn't find any reliable entry to support those data quoted.

BTW, for China and South Korea, those numbers look twice as big comparing to 2017 data provided in Statista. Don't fall for any information you find on Wikipedia, at least check the sources.

Peter2018 said:

It is very interesting to note that South Korea's ship building industry is the world's largest in terms of tonnage.
China's shipyards still has a lot to catch up in terms of capacity, not only for commercial ships, but also military ships.

From wikipedia:

Global Shipbuilding Industry
Rank Country Completed Gross tonnage in 2018, 000s
1 South Korea 49,600
2 China 43,900
3 Japan 13,005

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Also, one other thing is that you can not rely on the gross tonnage of one particular year to indicate the capacity of a country's shipbuilding industry. Total tonnage changes from year to year. For the last few 10 years, both China and South Korea has claimed 1st place in total tonnage completed in different years. This number indicates how many ships that was ordered was completed in that particular year. If the demand for ships are smaller and/or market changes. This number would be different. Markets fluctuates. Capacity, on the other hand, is not simply indicated by completion in one year.

BTW, large ship building nations like Japan and USA can also build much more ships than they build every year in the last decade. What they product in one year does NOT reflect their true capacity.

Peter2018 said:

It is very interesting to note that South Korea's ship building industry is the world's largest in terms of tonnage.
China's shipyards still has a lot to catch up in terms of capacity, not only for commercial ships, but also military ships.

From wikipedia:

Global Shipbuilding Industry
Rank Country Completed Gross tonnage in 2018, 000s
1 South Korea 49,600
2 China 43,900
3 Japan 13,005

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Shipbuilding market in general has been significantly smaller this decade (2010 - 2020), comparing to 2000 - 2010. For this decade, so far, Chinese shipbuilder has shown a larger CGT (completed gross tonnage) for seven years in a row (2011 - 2017), eclipsing South Korea; until being overtaken by South Korea in 2018. However, for the first 4 month of 2019, South Korea slipped behind China again in receiving new order, this will reflect in the CGT of this year. Here is an news article from Chosunilbo Business on May 15th, 2019:



@Deino: I think I should have post these on the Shipbuilding thread. However, I only intended to have a rather brief conversation with Peter2018. Sorry about the wrong subject matter.

Interstellar said:

Most likely some sort of distributed electro-optical sensor system.


Usually we don't install more than ten loudspeakers on one ship

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You can see the EO system on top of the bridge, a ball just peeking on top of the front array. See top of the picture.

I believe those holes are loudspeakers. They are perfectly placed where you want to bark orders to anyone on the bow of the ship.

The navigation lights are on the bridge wing. See right.

Going by economics would suggest China would need about 100+ Aegis ships, of using US as the standard. However, China in reality would be fine with 2/3 to 3/4 the number of Aegis ships as USN to meet it's goals and needs in the long run.

Stay on topic - namely the 055 DDG - and not again economics, politics and so on.

The latest propaganda film of the Chinese Navy, "China Navy - Peace Forces", discloses the Type 055 destroyer.