AFAIK, Huawei can still use existing ARM CPU architectures such as the Cortex A76 in the Kirin 980. It just can't get any new licenses from ARM for future CPU architectures. The good news is that Huawei does have the permanent license for ARM v8 instruction sets, so it can go down the same path that Apple did with its A-series SoCs and develop its own in-house ARM CPU designs.
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AFAIK, Huawei can still use existing ARM CPU architectures such as the Cortex A76 in the Kirin 980. It just can't get any new licenses from ARM for future CPU architectures. The good news is that Huawei does have the permanent license for ARM v8 instruction sets, so it can go down the same path that Apple did with its A-series SoCs and develop its own in-house ARM CPU designs.
yea but recent event put this in doubt. i'm curious to know if these venture will be continue or not. especially AMD is a US company.
manqiangrexue
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I'm getting confused again. We have some people saying that even access to future ARM is ensured to Huawei because ARM only controls 49% of its China branch (which is larger than the US branch) so it cannot make the call to embargo as long as US tech is kept out of it. Now I'm hearing that Huawei only has the ARM8 and needs to do its own work to upgrade that for future iterations. That's what I thought at first but other people said that it is practically impossible to do because only ARM has the architectural language to upgrade ARM so Huawei needs to go with RISC V. Very confusing stuff.
Hendrik_2000
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I though they already did built CPU based on ARM but this one is used on the server to replace INTEL chip I guessed
Huawei's 7nm Kunpeng 920 is 'industry's fastest' ARM-based processor
Chip is is purpose-built for AI workloads
Huawei's 7nm Kunpeng 920 is 'industry's fastest' ARM-based processor
CHINESE HARDWARE MAKER Huawei has announced what it claims is "industry's fastest" ARM-based processor.
Unveiled at CES on Sunday, the Kunpeng 920 is purpose-built for AI workloads that involve processing large volumes of data utilising distributed storage.
In SPECint benchmarking tests, the Kunpeng 920 scored more than 930, or almost 25 per cent higher than the industry benchmark, while using 30 per cent less power than competitors, .
The Huawei-designed processor is manufactured on a 7-nanometer process based on the ARM architecture. It has 64 cores with clock speed 2.6GHz and 8-channel DDR4 memory.
The enhanced performance is primarily due to optimised branch prediction algorithms and an increased number of OP units, along with an improved memory subsystem architecture, according to the firm.
"Today, with Kunpeng 920, we are entering an era of diversified computing embodied by multiple cores and heterogeneity. Huawei has invested patiently and intensively in computing innovation to continuously make breakthroughs," Huawei swooned.
"We will work with our customers and partners to build a fully connected, intelligent world."
Huawei also announced three new servers in its TaiShan range that will be powered by Kunpeng 920 processors. These are aimed at corporate data centres for big data tasks requiring high concurrency and low power consumption.
The Kunpeng 920 announcement follows hot on the heels of the AI-focused Ascend AI IP and chip series unveiled in October.
With its emphasis on in-house design, Huawei is becoming less reliant on non-Chinese chipset suppliers such as Intel, Qualcomm, AMD and Nvidia.
The company has been enmeshed in controversy in recent months, with a number of countries banning its products in their networking infrastructure, claiming they are a security risk.
The company has close connections to the Chinese government whose '' strategy targets 10 advanced technology areas including AI, robotics, renewable energy and biotechnology. The US has claimed this strategy is a "real existential threat to US technological leadership". µ
Jura The idiot
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this is interesting, inside
US widens its campaign against Chinese tech companies with eye on surveillance firms
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“No (Chinese) tech companies are coming out of this (trade war) unscathed, not if you are already No 1 in your industry,” said one Hikvision executive. “The US intention is crystal clear, and that is to contain Chinese hi-tech industries and ensure its own absolute leading position.”
US widens its campaign against Chinese tech companies with eye on surveillance firms
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“No (Chinese) tech companies are coming out of this (trade war) unscathed, not if you are already No 1 in your industry,” said one Hikvision executive. “The US intention is crystal clear, and that is to contain Chinese hi-tech industries and ensure its own absolute leading position.”
manqiangrexue
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This is pretty funny. Even Americans know they're not the good guys and that China's 5G is heads and shoulders above anything the US has. Trevor Noah compares Trump to Tonya Harding and AT&T's fake 5G logos to putting a Lamborghini label on a Smart Car LOL. Watch if you've got a few spare minutes and want a chuckle:
Whilst Android is synoymous with ARM, android actually compiles and runs on non-ARM architectures (Intel Atom for instance, bunch of Lenovo tablets I've owned testifies to this), its entirely possible to extend an existing ISA without "permission" (AMD-64 anyone!), ISA compatibility is only an issue if you plan to sell your chips to others.
As for all the hoopla about manufacturing so called advanced ICs most networking gear (Huawei's bread and butter business can be implemented using FPGAs). Huawei isn't some no brain sweat shop just assembling things on the cheap, it has 70,000+ engineers and scientists and it didn't get to the top of the pile by spying and stealing as is alleged (if you have to copy you'd always be half a step behind!).
Huawei represents all the things about the China of today that are the nightmares for neo-cons and they're going to do their damnest to try and crush it. However, Huawei is organised in such a way that's almost perfectly setup to counter it, its not listed so no outside share holders, has competitive/class leading products, has its own brain trust and full access to a market as large if not larger than the US.
It will the most ironic of things that "Communist" China may well soon have a more free consumer markets, with less government interference than the so called self proclaimed 'land of free'!
As for all the hoopla about manufacturing so called advanced ICs most networking gear (Huawei's bread and butter business can be implemented using FPGAs). Huawei isn't some no brain sweat shop just assembling things on the cheap, it has 70,000+ engineers and scientists and it didn't get to the top of the pile by spying and stealing as is alleged (if you have to copy you'd always be half a step behind!).
Huawei represents all the things about the China of today that are the nightmares for neo-cons and they're going to do their damnest to try and crush it. However, Huawei is organised in such a way that's almost perfectly setup to counter it, its not listed so no outside share holders, has competitive/class leading products, has its own brain trust and full access to a market as large if not larger than the US.
It will the most ironic of things that "Communist" China may well soon have a more free consumer markets, with less government interference than the so called self proclaimed 'land of free'!
Legality doesn't exist on inter-national level, there is only agreements between countries.
The stronger can break these agreements without any trouble, those exist only for weak countries.
So, as soon as the current international agreement cost more than the benefit for China they will stop to bound her.
Looking at this from an American perspective:
Now that Trump has pushed the nuclear button, the wisest thing to do is to see the whole thing through. He should not go for a truce like he did with ZTE because if Huawei does get any breathing room, things will get a lot more painful on the long run.
Now that Trump has pushed the nuclear button, the wisest thing to do is to see the whole thing through. He should not go for a truce like he did with ZTE because if Huawei does get any breathing room, things will get a lot more painful on the long run.
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