Correct me if I m wrong. Huawei can still use the open source Andriod but they can't pre-load Google apps into phone. However, a consumer can purchase a Huawei phone and download the apps themselves. Is this the current scenario or understanding of the ban?
Potential backfire from Google Ban
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That's because those users never really used Google apps (or any other us apps) in the first place. They were raised on different apps. If someone cut their access to Chinese apps and gave them the option to use google apps, most of them would still whine and not really switch unless they had no other choice. Because they're used to something and they don't like change. That's pure human nature.
Same goes the other way around. Switching users to new apps (doesn't matter if apps are Chinese, Finnish or US) is HARD. It takes time. It takes marketing money. It takes a certain mass of people to switch early before the mass population follows suit. It's even harder than in the paragraph above, because a bunch of their friends use various social media apps. So they want to be compatible. They don't want to use other apps via which they can't interact with their friends.
A very small minority of users will be able and willing to do that. Majority of users will simply want the familiar icons already preloaded on their phones. When they see no "google play" icon they will go nuts, as in their mind that's the only way to get all the other apps.
manqiangrexue
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Wait, that won't work, will it? If one can just download all the Google stuff onto stock Android on a Huawei, that's not an issue at all. Customers often ask the mobile carrier to set their new phone up like their old phone (with data transfer) and any store tech would be able to download all the Google apps for them. The stores could carry signs that say, "All your favorite Google apps installed for you with purchase!"
I'm thinking these apps won't install onto Huawei phones because Playstore isn't available so if they want to use these apps, they need to open up a browser that isn't Chrome go to their websites (like Google map and Youtube) to use them each time.
I think this may be a little more challenging a ban to institute because it is not asking a company to NOT do something (business with Huawei) but asking a company to DO something, which is DEVELOP a shut-off to prevent Huawei phones from running their app, which normally runs on all Android-based OS systems. This would be similar to the case when the FBI asked Apple to create a software to hack the phone of the San Bernardino shooter and Apple refused because they said that although they are legally obligated to cooperate with the FBI and give access to such a program if they had it, they are not legally obligated to create it if it doesn't exist. When these companies are getting paid by Huawei users, they have every incentive to go to court saying they are not legally required to make those technological modifications to their products.
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FriedRiceNSpice
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Again, you only need to rewrite a few core apps, like maps and mail client. Android does not even have a standard chat or messaging app, Android users generally use Line or WhatsApp (at least in US), and those apps would be available on the new Chinese OS as well. YouTube is not a deal breaker, not everyone uses it, especially outside of the US. People that want to use it can always view using web browser. Facebook usage is dying rapidly, and Facebook is likely to even make their app available on the new OS anyways given how desperate they are to retain users. Europes existing ecosystem of apps would also be supported. Most non Google US based apps could be supported.
Guys, as interesting as this discussion is, (I admit its way too techy for my little brain, I'm not wire that way, I Think I'll stick with numbers). Lol.
The bottom line is:
Is this ban a problem for huawei (and by implication, China/USA trade war, because the only reason why Huawei is singled out) ?
If so, how big a problem in the short, medium long term?
Also, as the title of this thread said, will it backfire onto Google (and by implication the USA)?
The bottom line is:
Is this ban a problem for huawei (and by implication, China/USA trade war, because the only reason why Huawei is singled out) ?
If so, how big a problem in the short, medium long term?
Also, as the title of this thread said, will it backfire onto Google (and by implication the USA)?
Thanks for the info.
But, Leica still have a trading relationship with Huawei of some sort, in that it is getting its lenses made by a third party (presumably to cut cost), and supply Huawei as it was theirs with their branded name on it.
Therefore to Trump and the US, it is still liable to be sanctioned if Leica don't comply with US
I read with some amusement the occidental centricity of the western media and this forum regarding smart phones and ecosystem and the impending death of Huawei. Truth is China is the largest smart phone market in the world, its large enough that products like weChat goes toe to toe with Whatsapp the Chinese market is huge and with huawei effectively barred from the US, and Google banned in China, Huawei already has to work in a 'multi-mode' manner, all the talk of loss of western markets, watching Canadians on youtube pontificate about the trouble huawei is in, and talking about restricting it to "just" the Chinese market, well even if Huawei captured 100% of the Canadian market it would represent something less than the size of the available market in the pearl river delta. If you've ever seen how mobile technology is used in China it would readily show how comparatively backward most western countries are.
The fact that a number of US semiconductor companies counts Huawei as their largest customer if Huawei is forced to buy elsewhere or develop their own kit it just means more pain and hurt in the US hi-tech sector.
As usual Trump's bluster is headline grabbing but does real harm usually to the US it self because they are not well thought through.
The reason China is not interested in a trade war isn't because of any fundamental inherent weakness, its simply its got better things to do, where as the Trump administration instead of making america great again is simply trying to stifle the competition because in its outlook its better to be the top beggar because Number 1 of something diminished is is better than joint number 1 of something great
The fact that a number of US semiconductor companies counts Huawei as their largest customer if Huawei is forced to buy elsewhere or develop their own kit it just means more pain and hurt in the US hi-tech sector.
As usual Trump's bluster is headline grabbing but does real harm usually to the US it self because they are not well thought through.
The reason China is not interested in a trade war isn't because of any fundamental inherent weakness, its simply its got better things to do, where as the Trump administration instead of making america great again is simply trying to stifle the competition because in its outlook its better to be the top beggar because Number 1 of something diminished is is better than joint number 1 of something great
Amazon tablets and players have a forked version of Android
Last time I bought an Amazon tablet adding the Google store was a real pain! It takes about 3 minutes and one reboot on the new Amazon Fire HD 10.
In order to get the most out of my new 7th generation Amazon Tablet, I needed the Google Play store. GMail, Chrome and a few other apps were not available via Amazon's walled garden. Used to be Amazon made this hard. Now it is very easy!
To add the Google Play store follow these steps:
STEP THE FIRST
Enable apps from UNKNOWN SOURCES!
Settings > Security > Enable Apps from Unknown Sources
This will trigger a warning. Read it, then ignore it.
THE SECOND STEP
Download and install four Google apps in this specific order:
Google Account Manager
Google Services Framework
Google Play Services
Google Play Store
STEP THREE
Reboot the device.
FOURTH
Open the Google Play app. Login and start installing apps.
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