Potential backfire from Google Ban

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manqiangrexue

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In fact, if you want a Huawei phone for its great hardware and price point, but don't want to lose access to Google, now would be the best time to one!
I could really use a new phone. My current one is a 2014 Motorola MotoX with a badly cracked screen and a PCR 96 well plate sticker holding it in one piece. I never valued an expensive phone because all I do with it is call, text, run Wechat, and take pics maybe once a month.

Now I'm wondering if I should get a Huawei now with Google or wait and get it with the new HongMeng. I hardly ever open Playstore and the only Google service I used is Chrome (Yahoo email) which I can sub with Firefox, Safari or whatever. I'm still not going to be paying a grand for a top-of-the-line phone when I only use basic functions but I wouldn't mind paying more than basic phone price for a nice Huawei with a good camera. I like a small screen to fit in my pocket. Any recommendations?
 

taxiya

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There is many legal ways to circumvent the "Google ban" to Google services. All google services are available to desktop computers via browsers. Huawei phone just need an app that behaves like an ordinary desktop browser to access data in Google cloud without revealing itself as an ordinary Gapp on a certified phone. Google would have to drop its web service if it goes after the circumvention.:D

As of now before these circumvention app becomes available, one can still use existing apps to access Google service EVEN from a "banned" Huawei phone. For example, Gmail can be accessed by POP3 or IMAP mail client such as MS Outlook or many others. There are other apps that present Google map data, these apps do not follow Google's certification of phone, they are certified by Google and pass on Google data freely.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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Easy to fork the android, that is nothing else just a linux operating branch.

The problem for the developers is not the apps and so on, that is easy to port, but they won't have access to the google advertising platform.

So, why release to the Huawei OS any app, if there won't be any advertising revenue from it?

And there is the issue with the google service integration, like maps, mail, drive and so on.

The only solution is if China simply forbid the usage of the full google service sets in the Chinese market phones, and force the makers to use Chinese providers.

I'm sure the Baidu can make replacement services without any problem.

The advertising / income stream is the critical for app developers, not the differences between the linux branches.

If the Chinese version makes money then the developers everywhere in the world will be willing to learn mandarin to program it : )
 
In this article, the author argues that the Google ban on Huawei may backfire by allowing the company ramp up the establishment of it's own OS system that may one day rival or overtake that provided by Google and Apple.

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Huawei prepares for US ban by checking on suppliers and activating contingency plans
  • In 2018 Huawei’s total expenditure on components and other supplies reached US$70 billion
  • Huawei’s wholly owned chip unit has said it is activating its backup plan to ensure continuous supply of most products
Updated: 3:28am, 22 May, 2019
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Huawei Technologies, the Chinese telecoms equipment giant that has been restricted from using US technologies, is preparing for the break by checking on its suppliers and readying contingency plans.

Huawei has been checking with its non-US suppliers to verify whether they are still able to work with the company under the ban, according to people familiar with the matter, who declined to be named as the information is private.

Three companies from Huawei’s supply chain confirmed with the South China Morning Post that representatives from the Chinese company have reached out in recent days to confirm whether their products or services contain key US technologies – a circumstance that could prohibit Huawei from further working with them after being restricted from purchasing US components and technologies.

“A Huawei representative called recently and asked whether our equipment uses key technology from US vendors. We have reported the case to our headquarters in Japan and are waiting for the reply,” said a Japanese supplier of Huawei in China, who indicated other industry players have received similar calls in recent days.

Another Chinese tech company, identified as a core supplier by Huawei, also confirmed the eligibility checks from the telecoms equipment giant, adding that its businesses with Huawei would proceed smoothly since its products are not affected by the US export blacklist.

The US government last week placed Huawei and its affiliates on a trade blacklist that restricts the Shenzhen-based company from buying services and parts from US companies without approval. US President Donald Trump also signed an executive order barring US companies from using telecommunications equipment made by firms posing a national security risk. The move was widely perceived in China as the US trying to contain the rise of its technological capabilities.

Inclusion on the Entity List means that a US company, person or government agency selling US technology to Huawei requires a license from the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS). That also puts at risk non-US companies that use US components in products they sell to Huawei.

Google suspended access to some services for new Huawei Android devices. Top US tech companies including chip-makers Intel, Qualcomm, Xilinx and Broadcom have told their employees not to supply Huawei until further notice, according to a Bloomberg report on Monday.

In November 2018, Huawei released a list of key suppliers that showed it was dependent on technology and components from overseas suppliers, particularly in the US and Japan, despite having stepped up its investment in research and development and diversifying key component suppliers.

Of the company’s hundreds of global suppliers, Huawei considers 92 as core, including 33 US companies, 25 from mainland China, 11 from Japan and 10 from Taiwan. The remaining are from countries and regions including Germany, South Korea and Hong Kong.

Huawei has a business presence in more than 170 countries and regions around the world, and works with more than 13,000 domestic and global suppliers, including those in Japan, Europe and the US, Ken Hu Houkun, Huawei’s rotating chairman, said during an interview earlier this year. Hu said Huawei’s total purchases expenditure in 2018 reached US$70 billion.

The company’s wholly owned semiconductor unit, HiSilicon, drew up contingency plans years ago with the doomsday scenario of US cutting off access to advanced chips and technology. HiSilicon devoted significant resources to building a backup to ensure its survival, according to Teresa He Tingbo, the company president.

With the US putting Huawei and its affiliates on a trade blacklist, that backup plan is being followed and will “ensure the strategic safety of most of the company’s products and the continuous supply of most products”, He said, in one of the most detailed public descriptions of the plan.

A 90-day reprieve from the US government on Monday to allow Huawei to maintain existing networks and provide software updates to existing Huawei phones also meant little as the company was “ready” for the restrictions, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei told Chinese media on Tuesday, according to transcripts of the interview published on state-run China Central Television’s social media account.

Ren said he had foreseen the clash with the US government, as it was only a matter of time before Huawei threatened US interests and attracted retaliation.
 

Anlsvrthng

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There is many legal ways to circumvent the "Google ban" to Google services. All google services are available to desktop computers via browsers. Huawei phone just need an app that behaves like an ordinary desktop browser to access data in Google cloud without revealing itself as an ordinary Gapp on a certified phone. Google would have to drop its web service if it goes after the circumvention.:D
Sure way to get captcha in two minutes time .

These days the providers are quite wised up to spot the crawlers .
 

solarz

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I could really use a new phone. My current one is a 2014 Motorola MotoX with a badly cracked screen and a PCR 96 well plate sticker holding it in one piece. I never valued an expensive phone because all I do with it is call, text, run Wechat, and take pics maybe once a month.

Now I'm wondering if I should get a Huawei now with Google or wait and get it with the new HongMeng. I hardly ever open Playstore and the only Google service I used is Chrome (Yahoo email) which I can sub with Firefox, Safari or whatever. I'm still not going to be paying a grand for a top-of-the-line phone when I only use basic functions but I wouldn't mind paying more than basic phone price for a nice Huawei with a good camera. I like a small screen to fit in my pocket. Any recommendations?

I recently got the Huawei P20 (not pro, not lite). The specs are good so I can play Hearthstone without slowdown, and the two rear cameras take great pictures, much better than iPhone IMO. Ergonomically, it's pretty much the same as the LG and Samsung I had before. Battery power seems pretty good too, but that might be because it's still new. :D

I was never an avid photographer, but with the P20, I find myself snapping a lot more shots!
 

Totoro

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There is potentially also the issue of us firm content. It may very well happen that Facebook, Instagram, snapchat, Uber and myriad of other firms don't get allowed to provide their apps to Huawei new ecosystem. If that happens, many a user who hold such apps as important may simply opt for another handset.
 

Gatekeeper

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The biggest hurdle is Google Play.

Android, the OS, is open source, but apps like Google Play, Google Map, Google Whatever, are proprietary. The most significant issue is that Google Play is the app market. This is how users buy/install apps and developers sell their apps.

Therefore, a device that doesn't have Google Play is going to need a good way for users to get apps, or it would be worthless.

One possibility is for Huawei to create its own App Market, then ask all popular app developers to clone their apps and put them on Huawei's market. Of course, if that developer is American, we'd run into the same Trump problem, but let's assume for now that this isn't an issue.

Ideally, this would be relatively easy and painless to do, and most developers would be willing to jump on board. The problem is when new Android versions come out, and the dev needs to update their app. Now is where problems happen: since Huawei's OS is a fork, by now it will be different from the new Android version. Huawei can *try* to keep it compatible, but this would be a two-way process requiring coordination with the app developer: every single one of them! For example, if an app needs access to location data, then Huawei needs to know how that app is getting the location data in order to keep their OS compatible. Inevitably, this will result in many apps breaking and needing to be fixed individually by the app developers themselves. Then it would be a toss up on whether those developers would actually do so.

For existing Huawei phones, this would not be an issue since they already have Google Play.

So google play is the key! No wonder when i asked my son to get me apps, he goes to google play. And i thought he was getting games as in "play" duh!
 

taxiya

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I could really use a new phone. My current one is a 2014 Motorola MotoX with a badly cracked screen and a PCR 96 well plate sticker holding it in one piece. I never valued an expensive phone because all I do with it is call, text, run Wechat, and take pics maybe once a month.

Now I'm wondering if I should get a Huawei now with Google or wait and get it with the new HongMeng. I hardly ever open Playstore and the only Google service I used is Chrome (Yahoo email) which I can sub with Firefox, Safari or whatever. I'm still not going to be paying a grand for a top-of-the-line phone when I only use basic functions but I wouldn't mind paying more than basic phone price for a nice Huawei with a good camera. I like a small screen to fit in my pocket. Any recommendations?
From the looks of your use cases, you would NOT be troubled by an uncertified future Huawei phone. The released Huawei phones are SAFE to buy as they have already acquired the certificate which Google can not withdraw without breaking laws outside of US. But if Trump is to twist American law for Google to renegade from the fulfilled contract, it is another story.

The flagships are all close to 6 inches in screen size, hardly anything small. If you are considering Huawei phones, P30 is a good one, it is relatively small among most flagships, I almost bought its predecessor the P20. If you can tolerate the size of over 6 inches, P30 pro is the one to go for, it has telephoto lens no other phone has, I have personally tested it.
 

Gatekeeper

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In fact, if you want a Huawei phone for its great hardware and price point, but don't want to lose access to Google, now would be the best time to one!

So my purchase of huawai P Smart last month for my wife is actually a right time to purchase.

And here was my wife worrying about her phone when she heard what Trump has done. So i can tell her now not to worry!
Thanks guys
 
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