A reappraisal of China's semiconductor strategy

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Deino

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Guys, I have enough of these constant off topic derails, political rants and country bashing !

If You cannot stick to a topic and discuss decently in a polite way, it's wiser to decide NOT to post or to search for another forum.

@WebMaster !

One again, we need a decision, no politics and we need the additional moderators.
 

phynex92

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What is exactly the current state of China's fab equipment R&D.
There was news of a 10nm or 22 nm Lithography machine success. It is not clear to me if the novel lithography equipment that uses Double exposure actually is able to crack into 10 nm domain.
Is it 22nm or 10 nm?
Also, found this. Don't know if it has been posted before.
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This talks about an etching machine developed by AMEC.
The same article introduces with the statement that China's recent breakthrough regarding lithography (not etching) won't be commercially applicable.
" The machine, which realizes a 22nm maximum resolution of single exposure by 365nm wavelength, breaks limits of traditional lithographic resolution caused by light wavelength and traditional line pattern of lens’ numerical aperture. The equipment is worth between $1.45 million and $2.9 million which is less than 2% of EUV. Although the SP lithography machine breakthrough is significant, it can’t replace the current lithography machine because its limitation of special technologies which is not fit for mass production. "

SMIC is China's most advanced foundry. It currently has finished the development of 14 nm with limited pilot production runs. The best node it currently can mass-produce is 28 nm.
TSMC also has a foundry in Nanjing that's producing 16 nm.
 

Weaasel

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SMIC is China's most advanced foundry. It currently has finished the development of 14 nm with limited pilot production runs. The best node it currently can mass-produce is 28 nm.
TSMC also has a foundry in Nanjing that's producing 16 nm.


Where does it procure its equipment to make them from?
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Where does it procure its equipment to make them from?
Same place everyone else does: ASML.

@Deino, couldn't you make a section where people can throw elbows and jostle a bit? It would keep this behaviour separate from the rest of the site. There aren't any significant Chinese military developments these days and people can start to get a little crazy.
 
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Weaasel

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Same place everyone else does: ASML.

@Deino, couldn't you make a section where people can throw elbows and jostle a bit? It would keep this behaviour separate from the rest of the site. There aren't any significant Chinese military developments these days and people can start to get a little crazy.


I hope that they have stock piled on spare parts and have a number of spare equipment in their possession. When the Americans tell ASML to stop selling to Chinese companies they will do so faster than light itself.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Is this subtle message see Liu He is there too. Via Kankan 326. some one said China rare earth does not contain Thorium whereas in most other find they contain Thorium which is hard to separate
Chinese president Xi Jinping is visiting Jiangxi province. China's rare earth materials base.
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  • China produces 90 per cent of the world’s rare earth minerals, used in hi-tech production such as electric vehicles
  • Rare earth minerals one of the few goods not hit by incoming US tariffs on US$300 billion of Chinese goods as trade war escalates
Chinese President Xi Jinping visited one of the country’s major rare earth mining and processing facilities on Monday, in his first domestic tour since the
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of the US-China trade war.

Xi’s visit, reported by the official Xinhua news agency, comes amid growing discussion in China that Beijing could consider banning the export of such minerals as a weapon
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with the United States.

Rare earth minerals were among the few items excluded from the latest US government plans to implement tariffs on almost all of China’s remaining exports to the United States, highlighting their strategic importance. These tariffs, which are set to be levied on Chinese goods worth an estimated US$300 billion,
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as early as July, according to the Office of the US Trade Representative.

The state media report, which includes one sentence of text and two pictures, made no mention of the trade war, but speculation is mounting that rare earth minerals could form a key part of China’s retaliation.

China is the world’s largest producer and exporter of rare earth minerals, which contain at least one of the 17 rare earth elements, many of which are vital to a number of low-carbon technologies, such as high-performance magnets and electronics.

It accounts for 90 per cent of global production, however the government has been carefully managing mining levels and it was reported last year that amid production quotas, the country became a net importer of rare earth minerals last year.

Jin Canrong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing, wrote an article last week suggesting that China could ban rare earth exports to the US as a way to punish the US for
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. China does not import enough goods from the US to retaliate in pure tariff terms.

The Chinese government has weaponised the trade of rare earth exports before, slashing the export quota by 40 per cent in 2010. The US, Japan and the European Union filed a compliant against the Chinese quota at the World Trade Organisation in 2012, with the WTO ruling against China. Beijing dropped its export restrictions in 2015.

According to the report, Xi visited JL Mag Rare Earth Co, a major rare earth processing company based in Ganzhou, Jiangxi province and “studied” the local rare earth industry. Ganzhou is the heartland of China’s rare earth mining and processing industry.

Xi was accompanied by vice-premier Liu He, who has been China’s top trade negotiator in the long-running talks with the US and who is Xi’s most trusted economic adviser. Also on the trip was a delegation of company officials and local cadres.

JL Mag is a specialist in producing the raw material for neodynium iron boron magnets, a type of permanent magnet that has applications in everything from avionics to radar systems, including those found in defence equipment.

Shares of JL Mag jumped by their 10 per cent daily limit in Shenzhen after China’s state broadcaster reported Xi’s visit to the facilities.

Images of Xi’s trip show a sign saying that the company is trying to build up “a rare metal industry base of tungsten with strong international competitiveness”.

Banning rare earth exports to the US is one of several ideas percolating in Chinese public discussions of possible trade war
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. Other analysts have suggested that China could sell its $3 trillion stockpile of US dollar-denominated securities, or allowing the yuan exchange rate to depreciate significantly, which would make Chinese exports cheaper for overseas buyers, helping to mitigate the effect of tariffs.
 
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I'd like to request that members like @Jura and @Brumby not post irrelevant "analysis" from Western business reporters who have the IQ of a gnat and the imagination of a toothbrush in my thread - it's not the "Trade War 2.0" thread. This thread is for discussing China's semiconductor strategy (and tech strategy more generally), specifically the patent invalidation idea I proposed in the OP. I will, however, make a comment on this:[/QUOTE]

Please be civil, as much as I disagree with their point of view.

They have the right to post their views and reports here, even if its irrelevant.
 

Deino

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Again me to step in and take this as a warning:

The next one with a post on the USA-China trade war or NOT on the topic - aka chinas-semiconductor-strategy - will get a one week free of SDF and I'll close this thread.

If you cannot stay on topic then at least think before you post and better do not post.

I have enough and even if some won't like it ... maybe go ahead and call for Webmaster, tell him what's going on and why I'm the evil one who constanly closes thread. maybe at least then he notices.

Otherwise I'm done. :mad:
 

styx

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if china bans rare earth selling to us semi conductor industry what will happen? I know that there are alternatives but they will take a lot of time before being implemented.
 

Totoro

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Escalation of war through economic means will happen as US will be outraged. Decoupling of the two economies will surge ahead at unprecedented speed. Of course, different people will have different opinions on which side would benefit more from decoupled economies.

In my opinion, that decoupling is precisely what the current US administration wants, and it wants is basically as soon as possible. (the only reason they're not doing it overnight themselves is because of US businesses and economy, as overnight change hurts them too much and thus the businesses may cry foul and perhaps even arrange for the administration to lose their position)
US businesses, Chinese businesses and Chinese administration do not want the decoupling to happen.
 
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