To address its own and country biggest weakness, Huawei must advance its chip manufacturing.

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manqiangrexue

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What if Huawei and all of China's phone makers were prevented from using android OS. That would mean the total loss of the export market f0r their cell phones
They can still use open source Android or use an OS that Huawei was constructing as a back-up I heard. The former would be easier but the loss of the Google Playstore could be an issue. I'm not 100% sure what that would cause; does loss of the playstore mean that no non-Chinese apps could be legally downloaded? If so, then Huawei could take a big hit to its international market but if Huawei just needs to come up with its own playstore to access those apps legally then it should be quite solvable.

This problem seems to be very limited in China so Huawei would still have the largest single market in the world so even if it must regroup there and put its exported phones on a hiatus, it is something that must be done anyway. China and Huawei will never be true superpowers unless they can guarantee a fully self-sufficient chain including all software and hardware. Relying on rival tech is a dead end and this problem was bound to occur at some point.

The first flight for all fledgling hawks is when they are pushed out of the tree by their parents or when a killer/natural disaster comes for them in their nest. The takeaway message here is that we are at last on the final stretch of the road to becoming at true technological superpower and this tech war is the push that got us moving in the right direction.
 
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What if Huawei and all of China's phone makers were prevented from using android OS. That would mean the total loss of the export market f0r their cell phones

Wouldn't that also mean a loss of a huge market for the Android OS? Can Google take the loss in gazillion $ of licensing?
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Alphabet Inc’s Google has suspended business with Huawei that requires the transfer of hardware and software products except those covered by open source licenses, a source close to the matter told Reuters on Sunday, in a blow to the Chinese technology company that the U.S. government has sought to blacklist around the world.

Huawei Technologies Co Ltd will immediately lose access to updates to the Android operating system, and the next version of its smartphones outside of China will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app.


Details of the specific services were still being discussed internally at Google, according to the source. Huawei attorneys are also studying the impact of the U.S. Commerce Department’s actions, a Huawei spokesman said on Friday. Huawei was not immediately reachable for further comment.

Representatives of the U.S. Commerce Department did not immediately have comment.


Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license that is freely open to anyone who wishes to use it.

But Google will stop providing any technical support and collaboration for Android and Google services to Huawei going forward, the source said.

On Thursday the Trump administration officially added Huawei to a trade blacklist, immediately enacting restrictions that will make it extremely difficult for the technology giant to do business with U.S. companies.
 

Xizor

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What if Huawei and all of China's phone makers were prevented from using android OS. That would mean the total loss of the export market f0r their cell phones
That is a fact. Huawei and all other Chinese smartphone manufacturers will lose its export market. But such a blanket ban is quite far away and it is going to affect the revenues of Google, Qualcomm etc. The revenue hit would be MASSIVE in comparison to the 20 billion or so (11 billion ?)revenue loss currently experienced by US companies under the Huawei Ban.
The entire Android ecosystem will lose its shine as chinese manufacturers like Transsion mobiles ( Tecno in Africa) , BBK electronics (Oppo,Vivo, Oneplus in all of Asia and Europe) and Xiaomi were the main catalysts for the spread ,adoption and acceptance of Android ecosystem. Without them, who is going to offer great phones at budget prices ? Who is going to serve these markets? I'm sure that companies from elsewhere like HTC, Samsung etc would try to fill in the market gap BUT it would need huge expansion and the nerve for cut throat profit margins. It would be a strenuous endeavor.

Also, all these chinese manufacturers could band together to adopt a common OS , equivalent to Play store etc. There would be no lack of funding or talent to accomplish that. So, even if such a step is taken, after 5 years, entirely decked competitors will emerge to challenge Google , Qualcomm et all . To maintain dependency is the best way to stave of competition and upsets.
 

taxiya

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What if Huawei and all of China's phone makers were prevented from using android OS. That would mean the total loss of the export market f0r their cell phones
I have said in this forum before at least twice that "nobody can prevent anybody to use Android OS". Because Android OS is open source which means nobody but everybody owns it. No national government can impose restrictions on an Open Source software. Once Google made Android open source, Google has given up its ownership to the world software community, U.S. law stopped applicable on Android.
 

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Alphabet Inc’s Google has suspended business with Huawei that requires the transfer of hardware and software products except those covered by open source licenses, a source close to the matter told Reuters on Sunday, in a blow to the Chinese technology company that the U.S. government has sought to blacklist around the world.

Huawei Technologies Co Ltd will immediately lose access to updates to the Android operating system, and the next version of its smartphones outside of China will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app.


Details of the specific services were still being discussed internally at Google, according to the source. Huawei attorneys are also studying the impact of the U.S. Commerce Department’s actions, a Huawei spokesman said on Friday. Huawei was not immediately reachable for further comment.

Representatives of the U.S. Commerce Department did not immediately have comment.


Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license that is freely open to anyone who wishes to use it.

But Google will stop providing any technical support and collaboration for Android and Google services to Huawei going forward, the source said.

On Thursday the Trump administration officially added Huawei to a trade blacklist, immediately enacting restrictions that will make it extremely difficult for the technology giant to do business with U.S. companies.
That is different matter from "blocking Huawei's usage of Android". See post #246. And the bold texts says all.

And I don't think Google can take back that open source license for future Android at all. Even if it could (based on some texts in that specific licence that I am not aware of), taking it back would be taking it from everybody, other phone vendors like Samsung would not be happy and it would be end of Android in the world. Once you give it up, it is never yours.
 
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What if Huawei and all of China's phone makers were prevented from using android OS. That would mean the total loss of the export market f0r their cell phones

Android OS itself is totally open-source meaning that any company can use it, just like Linux or Unix. What the US can do is prevent the system from having Google services pre-installed on the system (i.e. Google Play Store, Gmail, Google Maps) but it can't prevent Chinese phone makers from shipping Android phones. Amazon Kindle and most Android phones sold in China is a great examples of where their devices are shipped with Android OS but with Google services stripped away. The ban will cause pains in the usability of Chinese phones abroad, but it'll also be a huge blow to Google's revenues.
 

manqiangrexue

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I have said in this forum before at least twice that "nobody can prevent anybody to use Android OS". Because Android OS is open source which means nobody but everybody owns it. No national government can impose restrictions on an Open Source software. Once Google made Android open source, Google has given up its ownership to the world software community, U.S. law stopped applicable on Android.
Yes but I'm trying to figure out how much of a challenge this is even though it's clear that open source Android cannot be taken away. Does this mean that China/Huawei simply has to get a few softwares made (like Huawei Playstore) or does this mean that all US apps are permanently illegal or impossible to use on Huawei phones? Does it mean it's impossible to use Google Chrome/Firefox legally and all Huawei phones can only use Baidu (which is OK is China but not likely in Europe), or can you still download them without upgrades like any phone can? I do not know what this means and would like to find out.
 

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They can still use open source Android or use an OS that Huawei was constructing as a back-up I heard. The former would be easier but the loss of the Google Playstore could be an issue. I'm not 100% sure what that would cause; does loss of the playstore mean that no non-Chinese apps could be legally downloaded? If so, then Huawei could take a big hit to its international market but if Huawei just needs to come up with its own playstore to access those apps legally then it should be quite solvable.

This problem seems to be very limited in China so Huawei would still have the largest single market in the world so even if it must regroup there and put its exported phones on a hiatus, it is something that must be done anyway. China and Huawei will never be true superpowers unless they can guarantee a fully self-sufficient chain including all software and hardware. Relying on rival tech is a dead end and this problem was bound to occur at some point.

The first flight for all fledgling hawks is when they are pushed out of the tree by their parents or when a killer/natural disaster comes for them in their nest. The takeaway message here is that we are at last on the final stretch of the road to becoming at true technological superpower and this tech war is the push that got us moving in the right direction.

I do sincerely think that the Chinese government needs to do something about the software situation. If the government can group all the domestic manufacturers together and form a Chinese OS alliance for the development of a wholly-domestic OS ecosystem to replace both Android and Windows, it'd go a long way in deterring foreign threats such as the one that Huawei's facing right now. But then again, it takes a long time to build an good OS let alone the app ecosystem, but this should definitely be a part of the overall national tech planning.
 

Xizor

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Android- the AOSP tweaked ,updated and curated by Google.Google Mobile Services are what AOSP adopters would be missing.
Another issue is that Google (rightfully) ,for the past years, seem to be not so interested in upgrading AOSP.
Samsung has struggled with the Tizen. But me thinks that it was because Samsung lacked the direction or enough will.
Huawei surely has the urgency and motivation to create a new OS. Giving the chinese market a Google rival that compares on Quality,Security ,features and Updates is something long due.
 
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