A reappraisal of China's semiconductor strategy

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"We urge the U.S. side not to go too far," Wang told Pompeo, adding that the United States should change its course as soon as possible so as to avoid further damage of bilateral ties., end quote:
Chinese FM urges U.S. to avoid further damage of ties in phone call with Pompeo
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Lenovo anyone?
Lenovo denies rumors about ending supply partnership with Huawei
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/5/19 12:11:05
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Chinese tech giant Lenovo denied the rumors on early Sunday morning about suspending supplies to Huawei due to US pressure after the US Commerce Department issued export controls targeting the Shenzhen-based firm.

Lenovo, a Chinese multinational conglomerate and the world's largest personal computer maker that has headquarters in China and in the US, said it still supplies products to Huawei, which remains its important customer, according to a statement the company sent to the Global Times.

It also refuted rumors that it has cut off supplies to Huawei under US pressure, the statement said.

A widely circulated post alleged that Lenovo has stopped the sale of PCs and servers to the Shenzhen-based firm due to the latest US ban, and accused Lenovo a traitor.

Some Chinese netizens criticized Lenovo, saying that as a tech giant founded in China in the 1990s, the company is not patriotic at all when Chinese firms such as Huawei are being targeted by the US.

The US Commerce Department said on Wednesday that it is adding Huawei and its 70 affiliates to the Entity List, which will ban the Chinese telecom giant from buying parts and components from US companies without US government approval.

However, considering collateral damage to supply chains, the US Commerce Department is likely to scale back restrictions on Huawei, as blacklisting will hurt American companies like Qualcomm and Intel, Reuters reported on Saturday.

Lenovo CEO Yang Yuanqing was quoted in media reports in 2018 as saying that the company is not a Chinese company, which also sparked controversy. Lenovo was also alleged to be recalling faulty products in global markets but not in China, saying that Chinese consumers should support homegrown products.

The company later denied the allegation, saying that it has never discriminated against Chinese consumers, refuting online claims that the company exploited patriotic sentiment in a series of product recalls.

Huawei did not respond to the rumor about Lenovo cutting off supplies to it when asked about the matter by the Global Times on Sunday.
 

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wow, quote,
"We urge the U.S. side not to go too far," Wang told Pompeo, adding that the United States should change its course as soon as possible so as to avoid further damage of bilateral ties., end quote:
Chinese FM urges U.S. to avoid further damage of ties in phone call with Pompeo
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It is interesting to see how staunch MAGA supporters mistake China's resolve to not have a confrontation with that of weakness. Real weakness would be if China actually signs a deal. LOLs and wows can come after that.
 

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Huawei security chief says U.S. actions won't limit global footprint

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•May 16, 2019

Huawei’s U.S. security chief says American attempts to cripple the Chinese telecommunications giant will do little to minimize its global footprint. Chief Security Officer Andy Purdy told Yahoo Finance that the Trump administration’s actions to restrict Huawei’s access to American companies will do more damage to U.S. suppliers than to Huawei.

“We will be able to maintain our operations globally,” Purdy said. “Whether we can do it in exactly the same way, I can’t assure that.”
 
It is interesting to see how staunch MAGA supporters mistake China's resolve to not have a confrontation with that of weakness. Real weakness would be if China actually signs a deal. LOLs and wows can come after that.
actually I noticed several members had it covered even for a case some deal had been signed: if it had happened, it would've bought time, you know
 

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Guess by this 2018 report , Google is filled with anti american employees. Totally unAmerican .
Some companies that carry the "multinational" tag often have to be quite "unpatriotic". Chasing profits are what they do.
 
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US-China trade war: here are Beijing’s options – and not one looks any good

  • Hit by a hike in US tariffs China could: respond with equal tariffs (impossible); dump US Treasury bonds (ineffective and impractical); let the yuan weaken (expensive)
  • Or it could give in to Trump and lose face (for Xi, unthinkable)
From the volume of bellicose rhetoric in China’s state media, you might think Beijing is digging in for a bloody fight to the finish in its
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with the United States.
But after the US administration this month
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to 25 per cent, and threatened equal tariffs on another US$340 billion, the Chinese government faces a problem.
The policy responses it is considering are all either impossible, impractical, ineffective or expensive. This leaves Beijing in an unenviable position.

The usual trade-war response to the imposition of tariffs is to impose countervailing tariffs of your own, inflicting enough pain on your antagonist to bring him back to the negotiating table.

But that’s impossible in the US-China dispute. Yes, last week the
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. But that just highlights Beijing’s problem.
Last year, the US imported US$540 billion of stuff from China, whereas China bought just US$155 billion from the US (or maybe as much as US$180 billion, if you include all the US goods shipped to Hong Kong).

So, if the US imposes 25 per cent tariffs on everything it buys from China, and China retaliates by doing the same, its retaliation will be ineffective in comparison.

Worse, many of those imports from the US, advanced semiconductors for example, are important for China’s economic growth, so imposing tariffs on the US would hurt back home. And if Beijing tried to relieve the pain by paying subsidies to injured importers, it would defeat the object of imposing tariffs in the first place.

Aware that countervailing tariffs are not an option, many Chinese commentators (and some in the US) have suggested Beijing could punish Washington by “dumping” its holdings of US Treasury bonds.

Considering that at the end of February, China’s declared holdings of US Treasuries amounted to US$1.1 trillion, this might sound like a viable threat.

If Beijing were to sell them, say the move’s backers, it would trigger a collapse in bond prices, and therefore a sharp spike in US interest rates, which would punish the US economy and trash confidence in the US dollar.

Except,
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, things wouldn’t work like that at all.

China’s US$1.1 trillion pile of Treasuries might sound a lot, but it’s less than 5 per cent of the total outstanding. If Beijing were to sell them slowly, private investors would have little difficulty absorbing the paper, especially given the safe haven flows into the Treasury market at a time of heightened tension.

And if China were to try and sell them all at once, the US Federal Reserve would step in and buy them to preserve an orderly market and hold down interest rates; it bought more than that in the few weeks following the 2008 implosion of Lehman Brothers.

And if Beijing did manage to sell its Treasuries, what would it do with the proceeds? Put them on deposit at Citibank in New York? Well, guess what? Citi would put the money straight back into the Treasury market. Net result: zero.

And if China were to sell the US dollar proceeds of its Treasury bond sales in the foreign exchange market, what would it sell them for? Euros? No chance. There is already such a shortage of low-risk European government paper that the yield on 10-year German government bonds is negative.

In any case, selling US dollars would just push down the US currency’s exchange rate, which would benefit US exporters and further hurt Chinese companies already penalised by US tariffs – hardly the ideal outcome in a trade war.

Nor would funding hard assets work. China has tried that with its
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. Even according to the most generous estimates, current investments and future commitments come to less than US$200 billion. That’s already causing massive capacity problems. There’s no way China could attempt to invest US$1.1 trillion in short order and ever get its money back.

So, if selling its US Treasuries isn’t practical, what else could Beijing do to exert pressure on Washington?

The most obvious course would be to stimulate China’s domestic economy by expanding credit growth, and then not to stand in the way when the
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weakened in response to the looser monetary conditions.
Firstly, a weaker yuan would help to offset the impact of tariffs on China’s exporters. Secondly, if the experiences of 2015 and 2018 are anything to go by, a sharp fall in the yuan would spook global investors and trigger a steep sell-off in the US stock market.

And if there’s one thing we know
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sets store by, it’s the level of the US stock market.
So allowing the yuan to weaken would have the twin benefits of supporting China’s exporters and hurting the US administration, possibly enough to achieve a trade deal acceptable to Beijing.

But there would be costs involved. First, faster credit expansion would support Chinese growth, but at the cost of increasing leverage in the economy – which Beijing has spent the last two years urgently trying to contain.

Second, allowing the yuan to weaken would risk triggering destabilising capital outflows, which would exacerbate the danger posed by excessive leverage in the domestic financial system.

And third, allowing the Chinese currency to weaken would badly set back the progress of yuan internationalisation – a key long-term policy goal of Xi Jinping’s government.

Of course, considering all the difficulty and expense of responding to the US tariffs, the other option would be for Beijing to return to the 150-page outline trade deal with the US which it rejected so effectively two weeks ago.

But that too would have costs: a loss of face, and the acceptance of constraints on Beijing’s long-term industrial strategy – another of Xi’s highly prized policies. Not an enviable position at all.
 

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US-China trade war: here are Beijing’s options – and not one looks any good

  • Hit by a hike in US tariffs China could: respond with equal tariffs (impossible); dump US Treasury bonds (ineffective and impractical); let the yuan weaken (expensive)
  • Or it could give in to Trump and lose face (for Xi, unthinkable)
The author makes an incorrect assumption that an action must be countered by an equally forceful action and that is not true, especially when the original force is unable to achieve its intended effect. Trump's tariffs have been unable to drop the trade deficit with China but instead cause US exports to China to plunge and expedite MIC2025. China's GDP growth was 6.6%. So given that, what kind of giant forceful retaliation does China need to return? Watch your opponent flail and hurt himself while carefully monitoring the situation for what might arise to require adjustment/response. Other than that, just grow grow grow as usual.

yeah you
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are one of "several members" I meant 16 minutes ago

whatever happens, in your post China wins, I kinda like that, LOL!
Hey that's what the results indicate. I don't judge victory or success by aggression of actions; I just look at the results.
 
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