Trade War with China

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Hendrik_2000

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The US would not be considered the undisputed No 1 if it can no longer call shots in Asia, and Asia, particularly East Asia is increasingly the gravitational center of the world where the largest wealth are generated and the largest productive population is located. From the US's long-held strategic stand, it could not afford to have another power to dominate the Eurasian continent, from which a global hegemon could emerge. Psychologically, the US politician and population are having a very hard time to accept some other nation to even be their equal.

But adjust they will, it just takes time. China is playing a very patient game to carefully manage the relative decline of the US.

Not only that there is undertone of racism creeping into the China containment effort The state department is formulating foreign policy based on conflict of civilization It was hush hush before but now it is in the open
Seem like they giving up hope of using human right to destabilized China it is not effective

State Department official has a really racist take on U.S.-China relations
"It’s the first time that we will have a great power competitor that is not Caucasian.”

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MAY 2, 2019, 11:22 AM
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KIRON SKINNER, THE STATE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR OF POLICY PLANNING UNDER SEC. MIKE POMPEO (PICTURED ABOVE), SAID THAT THE UNITED STATES CAN'T FOCUS ON HUMAN RIGHTS TO COMBAT CHINA. (PHOTO CREDIT: NICHOLAS KAMM / GETTY)

On Monday evening, a State Department official claimed that the United States can’t focus on human rights if it wants to combat China — and that China presents the first time the United States has faced a great power competitor that isn’t “Caucasian.”

The comments from Kiron Skinner, the State Department’s director of policy planning, came during the New America Future Security Forum in Washington.

Questioned by New America CEO Anne-Marie Slaughter about the Trump administration’s China policy, Skinner attempted to draw a clear line between American policy regarding the Soviet Union and the United States’ developing policy regarding China.

However, instead of focusing solely on economic competition or Chinese territorial aggression in places like the South China Sea, Skinner discussed how China presents a different “civilization” than previous adversaries like the USSR. According to Skinner, U.S. efforts to highlight Soviet human rights abuses — including the United States’ push for the landmark
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in 1975, which pledged support for human rights — helped topple the USSR in 1991. However, focusing on highlighting China’s human rights abuses is apparently a futile task.

Said Skinner:

Not to make light of the Cold War, and the reality of nuclear war that could have happened — and the fact that we came close in some instances — but when we think about the Soviet Union and that competition, in a way it was a fight within the Western family. Karl Marx was a German Jew who developed a philosophy that was really within the larger body of political thought … that has some tenets even within classical liberalism. And so, in that way, I think it was a huge fight within the Western family.

And you could look at the Soviet Union — part West, part East — but it had some openings there that got us the Helsinki Final Act in 1975, which was a really important Western concept that opened the door really to undermine the Soviet Union, a totalitarian state, on human rights principles.

That’s not really possible with China. This is a fight with a really different civilization, and a different ideology, and the United States hasn’t had that before.

It’s unclear why focusing on China’s human rights abuses — which Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
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, especially as it pertains to China’s internment camps for Muslims — is futile.

A State Department spokesperson did not respond to questions on Skinner’s comments.

Slaughter, who was the director of policy planning under the Obama administration, followed up by asking if Skinner’s discussion of China’s “different civilization” relied on political scientist Samuel Huntington’s maligned theory of a “Clash of Civilizations.”

“Some of those tenets, but a little bit different,” Skinner replied.

Memorialized in a 1996 book by a similar name, Huntington’s theory posits a number of different “civilizations” across the world, ranging from “Western” to “Buddhist.” Few geopolitical theories have fallen from favor more swiftly than Huntington’s, not least because of the countries Huntington tried to lump together — or break apart, depending on the country’s supposed “civilization.” For instance, Huntington claimed Papua New Guinea was part of a “Western” civilization, while Kazakhstan remained “Orthodox.” Huntington even claimed that countries as distant as Mauritania and Indonesia were, in reality, part of the same “civilization,” but that countries like Guyana or Bosnia and Herzegovina comprised multiple “civilizations” within them.

Skinner also claimed that China presented the first time that the United States faced a great power competitor who isn’t white.

“I think it’s also striking that it’s the first time that we will have a great power competitor that is not Caucasian,” Skinner said.

Skinner is incorrect: In addition to the multi-ethnic nature of the Soviet Union — one-third of the post-Soviet countries are in Central Asia, after all — the United States‘ predominant rivalry during the first few decades of the 20th century centered on countering Japan in the Pacific theater. Even prior to the events that led to the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, which remained an American colony through the Second World War, American administrations were so concerned about Japanese threats in the Pacific that they actively lobbied for domestic legislation to assuage Japanese concerns — with President Teddy Roosevelt
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for racial equality on the West Coast in order not to anger the Japanese government.

But Skinner, one of the United States‘ most prominent State Department officials, has apparently forgotten that history. Skinner’s comments not only severely misread American history, but they are also based one of the most flawed theories on international relations of the past few decades — all at the expense of diminishing the push for human rights in the world’s most populous country.
 
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U.S. experts positive on China's pledge to expand imports
Xinhua| 2019-05-03 14:26:15
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U.S. experts in law and international business on Thursday expressed positive views on China's pledge to lower tariffs and import more goods and services from other parts of the world.

Chinese President Xi Jinping's statement about China's plan to have more imports "is, of course, welcome," and its willingness to provide a "level-playing field" is an important factor in bilateral trade, said Mei Gechlik, a law professor at Stanford University, on Thursday.

In April, Xi said in his keynote speech at the opening of the Second Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation that China will increase imports of goods and services on a larger scale.

"A more open China will further integrate itself into the world, and deliver greater progress and prosperity for both China and the world at large," Xi said.

"Regarding new opportunities with the U.S. and the world, a good measure of how much China 'opens up' its economy is how much the Chinese government buys from foreign firms," said John Graham, an emeritus professor of international business at the University of California, Irvine (UCI).

"Much of the world is waiting for the Chinese government to begin purchasing from non-Chinese producers," he said.

Graham and Benjamin Leffel, a scholar at the UCI Center for Global Leadership and Sustainability, released a 2019 U.S.-China Barometer, a measure of U.S.-China relations, in late February.

Their study found good signs in the bilateral ties, including climbing consumer purchasing power in both countries, exploding numbers of Chinese tourists and students to the United States, and the teaming of U.S. and Chinese inventors.

A further opened market will bring "growing human progress and prosperity" as well as "fundamentally important strengthening of world peace," said Leffel.

In his speech, Xi also said China will strengthen international cooperation in intellectual property (IP) rights protection, and prohibit the forced transfer of technology.

Gechlik said China's legal system has achieved some success in addressing IP issues, such as patents, trademarks, copyrights and rights to new plant varieties, in recent years.

In response to U.S. companies' worries about China's indigenous innovation policy, the Chinese government eliminated three documents that prioritize domestic innovation products in public purchase plans in 2011, a decade after it joined the World Trade Organization, said Gechlik, who is also founder and director of China Guiding Cases Project at Stanford Law School.

"Against this backdrop, President Xi's current commitment to IP protection helps provide some reassurance," said Gechlik, stressing the importance of establishing a mechanism through the release and effective application of more IP-related Guiding Cases.
 
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China tempers US hints that Beijing and Washington are preparing for the ‘last round’ of trade talks
  • Chinese Vice-Premier Liu He will head to Washington next week for the 11th round of talks to end the trade war that has hit the global economy for almost a year
  • White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders suggests meeting between US President Donald Trump and Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping is closer than ever
Updated: 11:23pm, 3 May, 2019
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Messages from the United States camp that next week’s talks in Washington with China could be the last round in efforts to end the year-long trade war have been tempered by Beijing’s negotiators, who have suggested the tactic to “generate pressure” should not be taken “seriously”.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said on Thursday that US President Donald Trump and Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping will decide after the negotiations between delegates next week whether to meet to finish the trade deal, hinting that this will be the last round of talks before a possible summit between the two leaders.

“Certainly I think that at the end of the day you’re gonna have to see the two leaders sit down and finalise some of the details of any major trade deal like this,” she said.

But after US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Monday before the US delegation headed to Beijing for the 10th round of talks this week that the US side is expecting to “either recommend to the president we have a deal or make a recommendation that we don’t” following next week’s talks, reaction from the Chinese side did not echo the seemingly fixed deadline for a conclusion.

Taoran Notes, a social media account used by Beijing to release trade talk information and to manage domestic expectations, said the hints from the US side that next week’s 11th round of talks are a deadline is merely a trick “to increase tensions and generate pressure on the other side”.

“It’s the same tactic as the US threatening to raise tariffs, it is merely smoke and mirrors to exert extreme pressure [on China],” the post said. “You don’t have to take it seriously.”

It warned that there is still a possibility that the two sides will end up in “an unhappy departure” if one side wants the other to make compromises and neglects “fairness in negotiation”.

Exact details of the talks are shrouded in secrecy, although Beijing and Washington have hailed “progress” after every round of talks over the last five months, with Mnuchin calling this week’s talks in Beijing “productive”.

Shi Yinhong, an international relations professor at Renmin University in Beijing, said both China and the US want to reach a deal but that he believes the US asked too much from China at the beginning.

If the US had demanded that China totally abolishes subsidies and end preferential treatment for the country’s state-owned enterprises, for instance, it would be unrealistic for Beijing to agree upon, as state firms stand at the centre of China’s political economy system, Shi said.

“It’s impossible for China to dramatically change its political system within a short period,” he said. He added that the US has shown signs of understanding over this point.

China is asking the US to lift all punitive tariffs on Chinese products launched since the trade war began in July, but the US has indicated it is unwilling to do so, with media even reporting that Trump wants to maintain some tariffs until after the 2020 presidential election.

This is “the biggest uncertainty” for a deal as it is uncertain whether China will accept this, Shi added. “It is hard for China to accept [that the US will maintain some tariffs], at least at this moment,” he said.

There were reports that the US was willing to compromises on issues of cybertheft and state subsidiaries. The Financial Times reported on Thursday, citing unidentified sources, that Trump, eager to secure a final deal, had dropped a central demand that China formally pledge to halt alleged state-sponsored cybertheft for commercial purposes and would accept a more modest assurances.

Myron Brilliant, the head of international affairs at US Chamber of Commerce, said on Thursday that a trade deal with China may fell short of addressing the issue of China’s state subsidies.

“We’re likely to get language that touches on transparency, but we’re not likely to get the commitment that we want from the Chinese in terms of they’re really cutting back and eliminating subsidy practises, not just in the steel and aluminium sectors but in a range of sectors,” he said.

Yu Wanli, a senior fellow at the Charhar Institute, a Chinese think tank, predicted there would be a trade deal, although the deal might be “weaker” than many expect.

“At this stage, to reach a deal is more important than the items in the deal,” Yu said. “Trump needs a deal to help his 2020 re-election and Xi needs a deal to stabilise the Chinese economy”.

The Chinese side has shown a willingness to entertain some of the US demands, and at the Belt and Road Forum last week in Beijing, Xi said that China will open its domestic markets wider to foreign investors, buy more foreign products, prohibit forced technology transfers, and honour its promises in international agreements. Xi did not mention the US or the trade war specifically, but his comments did directly address specific US complaints and demands.

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to the idea of travelling to the US immediately – as early as June – after the two sides reach the outline of a deal.
Trump said last week that Xi will be visiting the White House “soon”, although he did not offer a specific date.

Since Trump levied the first punitive tariffs on Chinese products in July, and China responded in a tit-for-tat manner, the tariff battle has created additional strains on the increasingly hostile bilateral relationship while also effecting global investor confidence.

The tensions eased after Trump and Xi agreed in Buenos Aires in December to solve their trade dispute through negotiations. Negotiators have since engaged in intense talks ever since, shuttling between Washington and Beijing, and an initial deadline of March 1 was extended, with the US side postponing indefinitely a planned increase of tariffs on US$200 billion worth of Chinese products from 10 per cent to 25 per cent.
 

manqiangrexue

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This article's hilarious with an extremely misleading title. When I read it, it actually says the US added 263K openings because 490K workers left the job force and job market participation dropped to 62.8%. In other words, the US labor force is in contraction and unemployment dropped because more people decided to just stop looking for a job and go on welfare. And then the Trump supporters can't read so in the comments, they're all, "Yeeeehawww!! You libtards see what a real president can do!?" Great dissonance between title and content; really separates those who are literate from those who are not.

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Economy Surges in April, Adding 263,000 Jobs

"The drop in the unemployment rate was aided by the exit of 490,000 workers from the labor force, bringing the labor-force-participation rate down to 62.8 percent."

 

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This article's hilarious with an extremely misleading title. When I read it, it actually says the US added 263K openings because 490K workers left the job force and job market participation dropped to 62.8%. In other words, the US labor force is in contraction and unemployment dropped because more people decided to just stop looking for a job and go on welfare. And then the Trump supporters can't read so in the comments, they're all, "Yeeeehawww!! You libtards see what a real president can do!?" Great dissonance between title and content; really separates those who are literate from those who are not.

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Economy Surges in April, Adding 263,000 Jobs

"The drop in the unemployment rate was aided by the exit of 490,000 workers from the labor force, bringing the labor-force-participation rate down to 62.8 percent."

Cuz boomers retiring. IDK how boomers failed so hard in the most prosperous country during the its most prosperous time. They should all be millionaires if they just invested in a couple houses and some stocks. Now they blaming China and waiting for their kids to pay social security tax.
 

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This article's hilarious with an extremely misleading title. When I read it, it actually says the US added 263K openings because 490K workers left the job force and job market participation dropped to 62.8%. In other words, the US labor force is in contraction and unemployment dropped because more people decided to just stop looking for a job and go on welfare. And then the Trump supporters can't read so in the comments, they're all, "Yeeeehawww!! You libtards see what a real president can do!?" Great dissonance between title and content; really separates those who are literate from those who are not.

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Economy Surges in April, Adding 263,000 Jobs

"The drop in the unemployment rate was aided by the exit of 490,000 workers from the labor force, bringing the labor-force-participation rate down to 62.8 percent."

Ministry of plenty says 263 000 new jobs created!
 

vincent

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Cuz boomers retiring. IDK how boomers failed so hard in the most prosperous country during the its most prosperous time. They should all be millionaires if they just invested in a couple houses and some stocks. Now they blaming China and waiting for their kids to pay social security tax.

Pretty sure retirees don’t count in the labour participation rate
 

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haha XD

Nearly 50% Would Rather Live With In-Laws Than Deal With Tariffs
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According to a survey by DHL Express, 45% of the 8,500 small and mid-sized business (SME) owners surveyed said they would rather have their in-laws move in than have to worry about international trade barriers and business regulations.

When asked what they are most concerned about this year regarding the global economy, 47% said tariffs. Only 13% said Brexit was a problem and 7% said the new Nafta was top-of-mind.

Fifty-six percent said Trump's tariffs had a "moderate" or "significant" impact on their business operating costs.
 
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