Canada Announces Purchase of C-17 Heavy Transports

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Defence minister hails $3.4B cargo plane deal as 'new era' for military
Last Updated: Friday, February 2, 2007 | 5:00 PM ET
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The federal government announced on Friday a $3.4-billion deal with Boeing to buy four heavy-lift military cargo planes, but questions remained over which provinces will benefit most from lucrative spinoff contracts.

Gen. Rick Hillier, Canada's chief of defence staff, joined Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor, Industry Minister Maxime Bernier and Public Works Minister Michael Fortier at National Defence headquarters for the announcement.

"This marks a beginning of a new era for Canada's Armed Forces," O'Connor said, citing the planes' flexibility for a range of missions.

"We will be faster and better in reaching out" to communities around the world in need of emergency aid by rapidly transporting Canada's Disaster Assistance Response Team, as well as better replenishing soldiers in the field, he added.

The first of the four planes will be delivered by the end of August, O'Connor said.

In June, the government set aside the funds for Boeing's C-17 Globemaster III transport planes, which can lift 76 tonnes and are capable of carrying any piece of equipment in Canada's military inventory, including tanks and armoured vehicles.

A beaming Hillier said the C-17 was a perfect fit for Canada's military needs.

"It's essential," he said. "It gives us a capability to move around the world that we have never had in our history."

The deal also brings $869-million worth of investments by Boeing in Canada's aerospace and defence industry, Bernier said.

While the planes will be built in the U.S., the federal deal hinges on Boeing pledging to spend an amount equal to the purchase price on projects in Canada. The arrangement pitted Manitoba and Quebec against each other to obtain a large share of the benefits.
Provinces sparring for spinoffs

The deal was rumoured to have been delayed by almost two months over disputes involving the spinoff subcontracts, known as industrial regional benefits, or IRBs.

Quebec lobbied fiercely to get a majority of the industrial benefits the province argued it deserved, but is expected to get only about 30 per cent of the value of the contract in spinoffs.

Bernier would not give the percentage or which projects would go to Quebec versus aerospace companies in Western and Atlantic Canada, saying only that Boeing will announce individual contracts with Canadian suppliers in the coming weeks.

"This will benefit Canadian companies coast to coast," he said.

The government's lack of detail on the spinoff projects drew immediate rebuke from Quebec, which is home to roughly 60 per cent of the country's aerospace industry.

"It seems obvious that Quebec should benefit in a substantial way," Quebec Premier Jean Charest told Radio-Canada Friday.

"They [the government] have the responsibility to make sure that it has an impact on jobs, [and] on the economy in Quebec," Parti Québécois finance critic Francois Legault told CBC News.

But Manitoba Premier Gary Doer said Friday he already knows there is good news for his province in the deal.

"What does that mean for Manitoba? It will mean that Boeing, over the next period of time, will go from 1,200 good-paying jobs at the Boeing plant here in Winnipeg, to 1,400 good-paying jobs in this province," he said.

"It will last for a long period of time because of the length of the contract and the length of the offsets. So we're very pleased about that."

The Conservatives promised in the last election campaign that they would buy the unique aircraft for the Canadian military so it could transport its own heavy equipment around the world.

The Liberals said the decision to buy the planes was made without a full tendering process, and Canada's Armed Forces could continue to lease or borrow transport planes from allies such as the United States or other NATO countries.

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News Release
Canada's New Government Delivers for Canadian Forces: Awards Contract for Strategic Airlift

Government of Canada / Gouvernement du Canada - February 2, 2007

OTTAWA — The Honourable Gordon O'Connor, Minister of National Defence, together with the Honourable Michael M. Fortier, Minister of Public Works, and the Honourable Maxime Bernier, Minister of Industry today announced The Boeing Company has been awarded the contract to supply strategic airlift aircraft to the Canadian Forces.

The agreement fulfills a commitment by Canada's New Government to pursue defence procurement initiatives that equip and strengthen our military and provide economic benefits across the country.

“Canada's New Government is dedicated to meeting the urgent needs of our Canadian Forces,” said Minister O'Connor. “Today's announcement is the first step to ensure that our dedicated men and women in uniform have the equipment they need.”

“Our government has delivered on our commitment to fair and open procurement and to our Canadian Forces,” added Minister Fortier. “While ensuring a win for the Canadian Forces, we have done that in a way that ensures Canadian taxpayers get the best value for their money.”

“We have worked hard to deliver real benefits to Canadian industry as a result of our defence procurements,” said Minister Bernier. “This agreement represents tremendous opportunity for Canadian companies to compete and stay at the forefront of the global industry.”

Canada's New Government is purchasing four strategic lift aircraft to provide rapid, reliable and flexible transport of large amounts of passengers and equipment over long distances in response to domestic emergencies and international crises. This strategic lift capability will be a “Canada First” asset – to be used on our own terms and at times of our own choosing. Canada will no longer have to join the international queue, negotiating against other countries for scarce commercial options, to fulfill its responsibilities. At home, Canada will be better able to protect Canadians from coast to coast to coast, including domestic response capabilities and reaching out to all our communities, including in the Arctic.

Strategic airlift will also enhance Canada's ability to provide humanitarian assistance in any part of the world, as well as increase our disaster assistance response capability. It will ensure that our Canadian Forces in Afghanistan receive the supplies and equipment they need to get the job done.

“These new aircraft will have an immediate impact on how we can support operations,” said General Rick Hillier, Chief of the Defence Staff. “They will increase our capacity to cover vast distances with bigger loads, fewer crews and less stopovers. In addition, they will alleviate some of the workload carried out by our aging Herc fleet and that which we paid to lease.”

The acquisition of these aircraft has been conducted through a competitive process known as an Advance Contract Award Notice (ACAN), which identifies the Government's intention to contract with a specific supplier and also gives all potential suppliers the opportunity to demonstrate that they also can meet the Canadian Forces' mandatory capabilities for strategic airlift.

Under Canada's procurement policy, contractors must undertake quality economic activities in advanced technology sectors of the Canadian economy. These activities must be an amount equal to 100% of the contract value. Boeing has already identified more than $570 Million in contracts and in late-stage negotiations with Canadian companies from coast to coast, and the company will announce details of these contracts in the coming weeks.

Canada's New Government is working to ensure that these procurements deliver maximum, high-quality economic benefits to Canada, and that Canadian firms are well positioned to play significant roles as these projects progress. The estimated total cost for this strategic lift aircraft project acquisition is $1.8 billion, plus an estimated contract value of $1.6 billion for 20 years of in-service support.

After following the proper procurement process, future contracts will also be awarded for tactical airlift, medium-to-heavy-lift helicopters, joint support ships and medium-sized logistics trucks. For each of these contracts, companies will be required to invest in the Canadian economy dollar for dollar what they receive from procurement contracts, resulting in approximately $13 Billion in opportunities for Canada's aerospace and defence industry.

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For more information, please contact:
National Defence
Office of Minister O'Connor
Isabelle Bouchard
Director of Communications
(613) 996-3100

Public Works and Government Services Canada
Office of Minister Fortier
Jean-Luc Benoît
Director of Communications
(819) 997-5421

Industry Canada
Office of Minister Bernier
Isabelle Fontaine
Director of Communications
(613) 995-9001

Good for Canada. They need heavy lift capabilities for a while and leasing it isn't the most ideal option every time. Now do something about those 40+ year old Hercs!
 

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Good for Canada. They need heavy lift capabilities for a while and leasing it isn't the most ideal option every time. Now do something about those 40+ year old Hercs!
well, I would've liked to see them address the C-130 issue first. Sure, it's nice that we can get some C-17s and actually air lift our own troops/tanks more easily around, but getting C-130J or A-400M should be higher up in the priority.
 

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This dosnt surprise me honestly. I guess they suddenly realized they have no way to move there tanks. When they sent the leopard C2s over to a-stan they had to rent American C17s to do it so that must have been a wake up call.
 

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well, I would've liked to see them address the C-130 issue first. Sure, it's nice that we can get some C-17s and actually air lift our own troops/tanks more easily around, but getting C-130J or A-400M should be higher up in the priority.
3.4 billion to buy and service 4 aircraft? Those will be VERY expensive cargo planes. Over 800 million dollars for each. Just seems too expensive to me...even though there is no doubt that Canada needs the capability.
 

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3.4 billion to buy and service 4 aircraft? Those will be VERY expensive cargo planes. Over 800 million dollars for each. Just seems too expensive to me...even though there is no doubt that Canada needs the capability.

The deal includes the following:
18 Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 engines
4 AN/AAQ-24v13 LAIRCM (Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures) Systems
20 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles
Electronic Combat International Security Assistance Program software equipment
Mission planning system and software
COMSEC equipment
Spare and repair parts
Personnel Life Support equipment
Flares
Supply support
Training equipment and support
Publications and technical data
U.S. Government and contractor technical assistance
Also, membership in the Boeing C-17 Globemaster Sustainment Partnership (which means all CF aircraft will be upgraded along the lines of the USAF aircraft as new software and hardware revisions come along)

This eats up about half the budget already, and this excludes the upgrades needed to the base they are to be based in (CFB Trenton), such as rebuilding of the the apron (which cannot support a fully fueled C-17 for more than 24 hours, as it will cause cracking after this period), a hydrant refueling system, bigger and more fire trucks, a new fire hall for the new trucks, and new hangars for the aircraft. Some of the upgrades were coming but the process of getting the upgrades started has been accelerated.

CF designation for the C-17's is CC-177 Globemaster III (no French equivalent). Tail numbers are 701, 702, 703 and 704.
 

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The deal includes the following:
18 Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 engines
4 AN/AAQ-24v13 LAIRCM (Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures) Systems
20 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles
Electronic Combat International Security Assistance Program software equipment
Mission planning system and software
COMSEC equipment
Spare and repair parts
Personnel Life Support equipment
Flares
Supply support
Training equipment and support
Publications and technical data
U.S. Government and contractor technical assistance
Also, membership in the Boeing C-17 Globemaster Sustainment Partnership (which means all CF aircraft will be upgraded along the lines of the USAF aircraft as new software and hardware revisions come along)

This eats up about half the budget already, and this excludes the upgrades needed to the base they are to be based in (CFB Trenton), such as rebuilding of the the apron (which cannot support a fully fueled C-17 for more than 24 hours, as it will cause cracking after this period), a hydrant refueling system, bigger and more fire trucks, a new fire hall for the new trucks, and new hangars for the aircraft. Some of the upgrades were coming but the process of getting the upgrades started has been accelerated.

CF designation for the C-17's is CC-177 Globemaster III (no French equivalent). Tail numbers are 701, 702, 703 and 704.
So, there's a lot of infrastructure and then long term support and maintenace wrapped up in the deal as well. That begins to make more since, because the unit cost for these aircraft in the US is 202.3 million each according to the US Air Force fact files, so the simple cost would be just over 800 million for four.

That mean somethinglike 2.6 billion is wrapped up in these other costs and I think it important for poeple to understand all of that...and not conlcude that the aircraft themselves arethat expensive.

They are outstanding and very flexable aircraft and a good choice, but a lot of this appropriation is not for the actual costs of the four aircraft...and that is understandable to a degree.
 

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3.4 billion to buy and service 4 aircraft? Those will be VERY expensive cargo planes. Over 800 million dollars for each. Just seems too expensive to me...even though there is no doubt that Canada needs the capability.
well, I remember reading OOE's comment on WAB about this purchase. It seems that with the Canadian role in the NATO operation, we do have the need for something like this for the war on terror.

To be honest, it's more of a political thing. The conservative government just came to power and they think we are totally flushed with cash now that they can just spend on anything. But the Canadian military has a lot of equipments that should be replaced. Then once they got to power, they figured out they don't have enough money for everything they promised. oh well, at least we are still signed up for JSF. Let's hope they don't mess that up.
 

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well, I remember reading OOE's comment on WAB about this purchase. It seems that with the Canadian role in the NATO operation, we do have the need for something like this for the war on terror.

To be honest, it's more of a political thing. The conservative government just came to power and they think we are totally flushed with cash now that they can just spend on anything. But the Canadian military has a lot of equipments that should be replaced. Then once they got to power, they figured out they don't have enough money for everything they promised. oh well, at least we are still signed up for JSF. Let's hope they don't mess that up.

The CF has been studying strategic airlift for a while. The Future Strategic Airlift (FSA) project was initiated in early 2000, and that study concluded that purchasing the C-17 Globemaster (in the study, they suggested 6 of them) was the only acceptable solution to the issue, although alternatives were proposed, such as long term leasing of the aircraft, etc, but these alternatives were not militarily and politically acceptable for a variety of reasons. The Liberal government did not like the outcome of the project, and as such, canned the study in 2003. However, there has been a strong push by the military to purchase the C-17 for strategic lift, as stated by the former Chief of the Air Staff, LGen Lloyd Campbell, who stated that "the C-17 is one of those options most definitely because it is a very capable aircraft and probably the only one of the capacity that currently exists."

When asked about a more affordable Airbus A400M, he said: “The A400M will be somewhat less expensive and is somewhat less capable than the C-17 in size terms. The biggest issue here, I think, is that we really do need more tactical transports. The C-130 is an outstanding tactical airlifter and will continue to service us for quite a long time. What we really need is something that can take outsized cargo.”

Also, the FSA project was already laying out groundwork for buying six of the aircraft, after it had determined that the C-17 was the only solution available. CF crew were sent to Charleston, South Carolina to the USAF for initial training of aircrew, and the project managers were looking at initial deliveries to begin around 2005. However, the Liberal government made it clear it only was allocating money for one Air Force transport project only, and since the Hercs needed replacement, the Air Force decided to shelve the FSA project, and proceed with the Herc replacement project only. The current Chief of Defense Staff, General Rick Hillier, when he went to the new Conservative government to lay out what the CF wanted though that he would only get money for one Air Force transport project only, and as such, primarily pressed the government for money to fund the Herc replacement project as that was a more pressing issue. However, the Conservative government made it clear to Hillier that there was money for two Air Force transport projects, and he could get both the Herc replacement project funded, and a strategic airlift capability as well.

Relying on others to provide this capability, such as the pool of aircraft offered through the NATO SALIS contract is not acceptable from a international political standpoint. Nic Boivert of the Council for Canadian Security in the 21st Century made this point clear through this quote: “If we (Canada) had wanted to go to Iraq, would the French or the Germans have lent us the planes?” The answer is no, for a variety of reasons.

1. Immediate Availably. SALIS only offers 6 AN-124's as a pool for ALL members of NATO to use. The problem becomes who gets the airlift and in what priority? Also, none of the SALIS aircraft are being based in North America, meaning no immediate availability. There are a total of 21 NATO members that have access to the aircraft, plus two non-NATO members, Finland and Sweden. With the purchase, the aircraft is immediately available; there is no need to wait for the bird to firstly become available and secondly, fly to Canada. This allows the CF to be more flexible, and it does not mean our sovereignty is left at the whim of our allies.

2. Suitability. The aircraft, selected, the AN-124 is not the most ideal aircraft for the purpose. Primarily, the AN-124 is a huge aircraft restricting it to operating from large airfields. It has no capability for using smaller battlefield runways and has no self-protection capability. If it's shot at, there is no way for the aircraft to defend itself, unlike with the C-17, which has defensive suites to allow for some ability to protect itself.

3. Operational Sovereignty. The SALIS aircraft usage is left at the whims of other nations. In short, other NATO members could veto the use of aircraft if they so desired. The Brits rejected the SALIS solution for this reason alone in 2000, and it helped pushed them towards the C-17 lease arrangement they worked out themselves in that year.

Signing onto SALIS without having an organic strategic lift capability is a grave mistake which could mean that Canadian Forces personnel could stranded on foreign soil with no way to extricate them immediately due to a lack of Canadian resources. This is NOT acceptable by any standards. Canada needs to be more self-reliant in order to participate more fully on the international stage. Sovereignty is not cheap; is $3.4 billion dollars too much to ask for total and complete Canadian sovereignty over its own strategic lift assets, and the ability to immediately respond to a crisis situation at a moment's notice?
 

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First Canadian C-17 being painted

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Delivery is expected on August 9th 2007. It will arrive at CFB Trenton that very day. Pictures are from a military forum that someone posted. Looks like the aircraft is about ready to leave the paint shop soon. The troops can't wait to see this bird flying for them up close.
 

Pointblank

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Re: First Canadian C-17 being painted

New photos, just out of the paint shop
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Such speed of delivery of a proven piece of equipment. Am I dreaming? :eek:
 
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