Trade War with China

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Top US General Warns China Will Try to Steal Google's AI, Other Advanced Tech

Concerned with the possibility that the Chinese government could swipe American intellectual property through its dealings with Google and use it to advanced its military, US Joint Chiefs Chairman General Joseph Dunford said Thursday that he will be addressing the matter at a meeting with executives from the tech company next week.

Speaking at an Atlantic Council event in Washington, DC, Dunford said US tech companies must understand that when they do business with China, there's always a chance that their know-how — particularly their artificial intelligence software — could make its way to the Chinese military.

"[Chinese companies] are automatically required to have a cell of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in that company, and that it's going to lead to that intellectual property from that company finding its way to the Chinese military," Dunford said. "There's a distinction without a difference between the CCP and the government and the Chinese military."

"This is not about me and Google; this about us looking at the second- and third-order effects of our business ventures in China [and] the impact it's going to have on US ability to maintain a competitive military advantage and all that goes with it," Dunford stressed.

He later indicated that his focus was on Google "because they have an artificial intelligence venture in China," adding if precautions were not taken, it could "enable the Chinese military to take advantage of the technology developed in the United States."

Dunford's remarks come just days after he told a Senate hearing last week that Google was "indirectly benefiting the Chinese military" through its business ties with the country. The tech giant has also been criticized by US President Donald Trump, who tweeted March 16 that "Google is helping China and their military."


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Google is not used by the US military and is far more primitive compared to current AI development.

What would the incentives of acquiring intel on them be? Maybe China does it out of knee jerk reaction, in case future google puts their stuff in a foreign military. Venture or no venture, they can reach inside and find it, they got intel on F-35 and F-22 anyways.

As long as American military stick to using non-open to public AI developers, this will not affect them.
 
AssassinsMace

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Lou Dobbs of Fox News once charged that China stole technology from the US that hadn't even been developed yet. Now how can you steal something that doesn't exist? Logic and common sense doesn't mean anything. What he was doing was establishing anything China develops in the future that the US doesn't have, he wants the US to claim it was stolen from them. They can't even show proof to allies that Huawei is a front for Chinese espionage so there's no evidence here either.

Let's not forget that back when Google thought it was bigger than China, it took huge measures to make sure China couldn't steal anything. One was where as in every Google office in the world, the programmers had access to Google's source code but not in China. The programmers in China had no access to the source code. They wanted to be in China but they didn't create the same open work environment they were known for everywhere else. The workers there were treated more like security risks. Google attempting to get back into China is all about money. If they're trying to cooperate on AI, it's because Google knows it is behind China. They say AI is all about data. They say China supposedly has more data because there's no privacy rights hence why it's ahead. But the thing is the US probably has more data but they can't admit to it. Google wants in China because it can't access data at home or they'll get into trouble. The US is behind fintech because that also requires access to data the American public would be uneasy if it were used.
 
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acess to the US market may be a privilege
access to the Asian market should also be a privilege and not a right, considering all the damage the West caused to Asia in the past 500 years. they colonized the world and wanted to pay no reparations.

they’ve benefitted tremendously from cheap labor and offloading pollution at the cost of a few million jobs at home, but greed knows no bounds

so in the end you have to humble them
 
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gelgoog said:
The US wants wider access to the banking sector in China because not only would they get to indebt the Chinese population but also if a lot of people in China used Mastercard or VISA then the US government would have widespread access to financial transaction data.
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From a U.S. perspective, the ideal result would be American control of China's economy by controlling the banks. From China's perspective, this result would be fatal. Fortunately, all four of China's big banks (Bank of China, the China Construction Bank, the Agricultural Bank of China, and the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China) are owned by the state. But I'm still worried about allowing foreign control of some of China's banks.

Another worry of mine, incidentally, is that the U.S. could simply print the dollars needed to buy the Chinese banks.
 
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Jura said:
now I read
US team to fly to Beijing next week for new round of talks to end trade war – as reports say China is pushing back against American requests
  • US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to meet Chinese Vice-Premier Liu He
  • But some US officials are concerned that China is pushing back against American demands as progress slows toward a deal
Updated: 3:02am, 20 Mar, 2019
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March 23, 2019 / 6:11 PM / Updated 3 hours ago
U.S.'s Lighthizer, Mnuchin to travel to China for trade talks: White House
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United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will travel to Beijing for the latest round of high-level trade talks scheduled to start on March 28, the White House said in a statement on Saturday.

The United States also will receive a Chinese trade delegation led by Vice Premier Liu He for meetings in Washington that are set to begin on April 3, the White House said.

President Donald Trump said on Friday the negotiations with China were progressing and a final agreement seemed probable, as the world’s two largest economies seek to ease tensions from an eight-month-old trade war.

But earlier this week, Trump warned the United States may leave tariffs on Chinese imports for a while, though Beijing has pushed for them to be removed as part of any deal.
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