JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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gelgoog said:
I mean the main targets for these would be AWACS platforms or support aircraft beyond the enemy lines.
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What makes you think like this?
PL-15 is a new standart BVR missile in Chinese service, keeping up is reasonable.
Neither 100 missiles is too many, given quite respectable size of jf-17 fleet.
 
Deino

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gelgoog said:
Yeah I think the report is kinda doubtful. Too many expensive missiles and they aren't even that useful. I mean the main targets for these would be AWACS platforms or support aircraft beyond the enemy lines. The missiles are huge. You would need to integrate the missile and test it. This can take considerable time in some cases. While the JF-17 already does support a Chinese BVR air-to-air missile I don't know how easy this would be to integrate unless it was planned and partly done already. For reference the Swedes took like 6 months to do basic integration of the Meteor on the Grippen, but the French took like 2 years I think.
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I think you confuse it with the even larger PL-XX AWACS killer, we saw far only know on the J-16.

Anyway, I find it simply unbelievable and unrealistic since so far we haven't seen any PL-15 under any JF-17, we do not even know if the radar or fighter itself is capable to use this missile. So far only the J-20, the J-16 and J-10C - not even the J-10B and J-11B - were seen with this missile and IMO it is most unlikely that China will deliver such a game-changer right in the middle of this crisis.

I must admit I'm the last one who won't deny such a deal if some proof is given, if images were shown but a plain stupid FB-post or Tweet from an unreliable source is nothing but NONSENSE.

So in essence, to carry and use the PL-15 might be an option/possibility for the future - hey, the PL-12 was proposed several years as the SD-10 and now we haven't seen any export PL-15 - so that I rate the report as it was posted as IMO fake, wrong, misleading and more related to propaganda than facts.

And now back to the JF-17.
 
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antiterror13

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Deino said:
I think you confuse it with the even larger PL-XX AWACS killer, we saw far only know on the J-16.

Anyway, I find it simply unbelievable and unrealistic since so far we haven't seen any PL-15 under any JF-17, we do not even know if the radar or fighter itself is capable to use this missile. So far only the J-20, the J-16 and J-10C - not even the J-10B and J-11B - were seen with this missile and IMO it is most unlikely that China will deliver such a game-changer right in the middle of this crisis.

I must admit I'm the last one who won't deny such a deal if some proof is given, if images were shown but a plain stupid FB-post or Tweet from an unreliable source is nothing but NONSENSE.

So in essence, to carry and use the PL-15 might be an option/possibility for the future - hey, the PL-12 was proposed several years as the SD-10 and now we haven't seen any export PL-15 - so that I rate the report as it was posted as IMO fake, wrong, misleading and more related to propaganda than facts.

And now back to the JF-17.
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And I don't think China would export PL-15, not yet anyway
 
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araberuni

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timepass said:
I always share my posts with links & above 2 posts also have links.... its up to the reader how he takes the news/reports...

You cant just label any post "NONSENSE", if you don't think its correct that's your call....
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This is THE evidence that PAF never used JF-17 In Kashmir conflict. It was F-16. One more thing, F-16 was never shot down by Ruski MiG-21. Stop spreading propaganda.

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Edit: JF-17 does not fire AIM-120C AMRAAM. Did you see the pictures of AIM-120C casing.
One more Indian claim to be answered, Pakistan never violated arms import conditions. The US strongly denies Indian claims that Pakistan violated arms import conditions.
 
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MastanKhan

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antiterror13 said:
really hard to believe that China suddenly deliver 100 PL-15 to Pakistan, thats a lot of very advanced missiles and not cheap!
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Hi,

Why would it be hard to believe---. Chinese weapons and weapons systems just smashed the ego of the air force of a major contender of power in the region by one of its strongest and staunchest allies---.

So---from where does the term---" hard to believe comes from---" could you expand on it a little bit---.
 
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MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Why would it be hard to believe---. Chinese weapons and weapons systems just smashed the ego of the air force of a major contender of power in the region by one of its strongest and staunchest allies---.

So---from where does the term---" hard to believe comes from---" could you expand on it a little bit---.
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Not sure if you deliberately missed to read my reply above in the same way You missed to reply to the debunked claims "a JF-17 is chasing a Su-30MKI", which in fact was only one Thunder chasing another one. So in essence "Hard to believe" simply in the meaning of:

- so far we haven't seen any PL-15 under any JF-17 (and we know several stores under test often long before they enter service)
- we do not even know if the radar or fighter itself is capable to use this missile since so far only the J-20, the J-16 and J-10C - not even the J-10B and J-11B - were seen with this missile
- IMO it is most unlikely that China will deliver such a game-changer right in the middle of this crisis.
- it is from an unreliable source (aka a FB-post and several Tweets) but nothing from a reliable source
- and even more - you surely noticed it - the original post was already deleted at the PDF by a moderator (and it wasn't me) due to "invalid source". A similar hyped Tweet at Twitter is now deleted.


So in essence even if none of the points mentioned above is proof it did not happen, none of the claims "PL-15 is or will be delivered" is baked by any more reliable proof. So in essence, what is more believable?
 
Zahid

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araberuni said:
This is THE evidence that PAF never used JF-17 In Kashmir conflict. It was F-16.
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Nothing in the reports warrants using all caps as in "THE evidence". I would not be so sure if I were you. It might well be F-16 that shot down the Mig-21, but it might instead be JF-17 and there is no contrary evidence to dispute it in unequivocal terms. PAF uses both F-16 & JF-17 for BVR. In absence of any particular details, we can accept the claim that JF-17 shot down Mig-21. There is no particular reason to reject a claim.

We do know that PAF controlled the situation - from attack by ROSE Mirage to shooting down IAF plane(s), and used a mixed package in concluding the episode. JF-17 was most likely the part of the IAF-welcoming package.
 
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MastanKhan

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Deino said:
Not sure if you deliberately missed to read my reply above in the same way You missed to reply to the debunked claims "a JF-17 is chasing a Su-30MKI", which in fact was only one Thunder chasing another one. So in essence "Hard to believe" simply in the meaning of:

- so far we haven't seen any PL-15 under any JF-17 (and we know several stores under test often long before they enter service)
- we do not even know if the radar or fighter itself is capable to use this missile since so far only the J-20, the J-16 and J-10C - not even the J-10B and J-11B - were seen with this missile
- IMO it is most unlikely that China will deliver such a game-changer right in the middle of this crisis.
- it is from an unreliable source (aka a FB-post and several Tweets) but nothing from a reliable source
- and even more - you surely noticed it - the original post was already deleted at the PDF by a moderator (and it wasn't me) due to "invalid source". A similar hyped Tweet at Twitter is now deleted.


So in essence even if none of the points mentioned above is proof it did not happen, none of the claims "PL-15 is or will be delivered" is baked by any more reliable proof. So in essence, what is more believable?
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I did not make that claim---. I posted a video---
 
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