2019 India-Pakistani border clash

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and by the look of video she kept at snorkel depth willing or unwillingly, after getting detected.maybe she tried showing that she means no harm anymore and leaving the area or flirting with enemy assets in the area, telling them here i am please catch me.not a sane thing to do for a submarine which is a slow prey if surfaced for a LRMPA
Video is made after Sub was forced to surfaced
The Submarine was detected and localized in Pakistan’s maritime zone on 04 March 19.
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jatt

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Your logic totally broke between the sentences, "They also show the AMRAAM. If Amraam was fired an F-16 was involved." and "Pakistan lost something and definitely 2 pilots or 1."

An AMRAAM shell means an AMRAAM was fired. There is absolutely no connection between than and anything being shot down.
My logic is not broke. I liked to believe I am a capable thinker. That being said the cream of my post is not amraam missiles or downings of su30 or f16 but the Pakistani pm vlaim of 2 pilots captured which is repeated by dgispr plus 1 in the hospital. So where did those 2 pilots go?
 

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My logic is not broke. I liked to believe I am a capable thinker. That being said the cream of my post is not amraam missiles or downings of su30 or f16 but the Pakistani pm vlaim of 2 pilots captured which is repeated by dgispr plus 1 in the hospital. So where did those 2 pilots go?
The point about the inconsistent account of the number of Indian pilots captured is fine; it suggests perhaps that the Pakistanis had seen 3 eject and thus they thought they could get all 3 but ended up getting only 1 or some other reason.

But the points that I had highlighted is that your logic broke down on how the AMRAAM shell suggests that Pakistan definitely lost "something" (I assume you mean an aircraft) with one or 2 pilots. That point has no supporting evidence.
 

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Pakistan’s statement was only that F-16 did not participate in the raid.

Firing the AIM-120 in close battle makes no sense.

Theory:

There were three groups of Pakistani planes that day.

The first one was Mirages and it entered IN airspace to bait out the planes.

The second one was JF-17s meant to actually kill the incoming Indian planes. This formation stayed inside Pakistani airspace, using EW to mask it’s approach. It would close in and dogfight with the Indian planes.

Then there was a third one consisting of F-16 and maybe more JF-17. This group acted as BVRAAM carrier for the 2nd group. One F-16 fired an AIM-120 from range, but it overshot and went into the Indian side.
 
here comes the story I've now read, which is
Pakistan: Indian sub spied in territorial waters
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said Tuesday that authorities arrested dozens of suspects in the wake of last month’s suicide bombing in Indian-controlled Kashmir that killed 40 Indian troops, including the brother of the leader of the outlawed
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militant group.

The arrests were apparently aimed at easing tensions between Pakistan and India that escalated after the Feb. 14 suicide attack.

In Tuesday’s statement, the ministry said authorities arrested 44 suspects, including at least two prominent members of the outlawed militant group, which claimed responsibility for the attack that pushed the neighboring countries close to an all-out war over contested Kashmir last week. Among those arrested was Mufti Abdul Rauf, the brother of the group’s leader,
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According to the ministry, Rauf was among a list of suspects in a file on last month's bombing that India gave to Pakistan over the weekend through diplomatic channels, urging Islamabad to take action against suspects linked to the killing of its soldiers in the region, which is split between Pakistan and India and is claimed by both in its entirety.

Also detained was Hammad Azhar, the brother-in-law of Masood Azhar.

At a news conference Pakistan Interior Secretary Azam Suleman Khan said Pakistan will take further action against suspects linked to the attack in Indian Kashmir if New Delhi provides additional evidence to Islamabad.

"So far India has not given evidence," he said. "We received only some names" in connection with the suicide attack. He said the 44 suspects detained across the country belonged to a number of groups, not just Jaish-e-Mohammad.

Tuesday's arrests were announced hours after Pakistan's navy claimed that it spotted and warned an Indian submarine approaching its territorial waters in the Arabian Sea not to attempt an incursion.

The navy said in a statement that the Indian submarine wasn't targeted, "keeping in view Pakistan's policy of peace" under which Islamabad wants to de-escalate tensions with New Delhi.

A navy official said the warning was "communicated" to the submarine during Monday's encounter. The submarine then moved away.

The official didn’t elaborate and spoke on condition of anonymity to talk to reporters.

In India, a spokesman for the navy, Capt. D.K. Sharma, said on Twitter that the navy “remains deployed as necessary to protect National Maritime Interests.” Over the past several days we have witnessed Pakistan indulging in false propaganda and spread of misinformation," he said.

Still, an uneasy calm prevailed Tuesday along the Line of Control, which divides Kashmir between Pakistan and India, and which saw an intense exchange of fire between the two nuclear-armed rivals last week, killing several people and at least two Pakistani soldiers.

Tension between Pakistan and India increased last week when New Delhi launched a retaliatory strike in the northwestern town of Balakot, saying its air force hit a terrorist training camp and killed "a very large number" of militants. Pakistan said the strike only damaged three trees in a forest.

However, Islamabad responded by shooting down two Indian warplanes and capturing a pilot, Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, who was returned to India at the Wagah border near the eastern city of Lahore as a peace gesture.

Since then, the two sides have exercised restraint amid calls from the international community for avoiding war.
 

jatt

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The point about the inconsistent account of the number of Indian pilots captured is fine; it suggests perhaps that the Pakistanis had seen 3 eject and thus they thought they could get all 3 but ended up getting only 1 or some other reason.

But the points that I had highlighted is that your logic broke down on how the AMRAAM shell suggests that Pakistan definitely lost "something" (I assume you mean an aircraft) with one or 2 pilots. That point has no supporting evidence.
They dgispr in video and tweets claimed they had captured 3 pilots not just seen 2 chutes but had 1 pilot in hospital. That's dgispr for you.
 
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Typically fighters carry 2 short range missiles and more medium to long range. Firing an AMRAAM is perfectly legit if the pilot isn’t convinced a IR guided missile will work.
Agreed, there is also a recent case in which a F-18 fired a AIM-120 at close range at a su-22 in Syria and it hits. That was because the earlier IR missiles failed to hit the target.
 
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