Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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B.I.B.

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Do you have some kind of evidence that support your claim that the CIA was the body engaged in the hacking last week?

No, I do not have any evidence. In the absence of names, when it comes to nefarious activities, the CIA tops my list. Ever since the time it participated in the downfall of Gough Whitlam's government and with elections just around the corner, I would suspect the CIA to be very interested in the background of any aspiring MP

Anyway, in more recent times I read an American state actor was caught eavesdropping on Angel Merkel's telephone conversations.
 

CMP

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We should all be more understanding of the Five Eyes members (minus UK and NZ) here. It is only natural that there would be an immense amount of hatred, bitterness, and ill will from them as their grip on global hegemony slips and they hold on with tooth and nail. The same has been true of every empire in history. That is no good reason for us to attack them further.

In the mean time, it is really the Europeans (plus UK and NZ) we should be applauding for stiffening their spine and putting their national interests above the interests of a global military and surveillance hegemony.
 

zealotaiur485

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An old king would do whatever it takes to keep the crown on his head.
Now apply the same analogy to the USA's current behavior towards Huawei and China in general, and everything becomes much more clear.
As the years go by, China grows stronger while the USA ages and loses strength. So expect them to lash out more and more.

IMO, trying to change hostile countries into a neutral/friendly stance is a lost cause. What China should be doing is strengthening its ties with open
friendly/neutral countries and creating its own economic network to avoid overdependence. If the USA and its vassals wants to ban Huawei and other Chinese companies, we can go elsewhere to do business. It's their loss as they'll be losing out on the most advanced 5g tech. The rest of the world is more welcoming, so why waste time engaging with hostile forces?..
 

Nutrient

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Tell me what law is enacted in Australia that is similar to the 2017 National Security Law as enacted in China. .

Paragraph 531F of the Australian
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In other words, Australian telecommunication carriers must cooperate with the spooks. This is very similar to article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law of 2017. You will find that nearly every country will have something like this.

You don't even know about your country! But your ignorance doesn't stop you from spreading fear and hate about another nation.
 
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Spotlight: Huawei bags multiple 5G deals during key industry expo
Xinhua| 2019-02-28 20:55:44
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Chinese technology giant Huawei has garnered a series of 5G deals with global mobile operators during the MWC Barcelona, a telecommunications industry's prominent get-together which ends on Thursday.

Huawei, a leading global provider of digital infrastructure, smart devices, telecommunications equipment and services to mobile operators, has won big during the MWC Barcelona (formerly Mobile World Congress) in terms of both awards and business contracts.

The Chinese telecommunications company won five separate awards, including for Best Mobile Technology Breakthrough (awarded to companies with an annual global revenue exceeding 10 million U.S. dollars) for its 5G radio access network innovation.

And the multiple contracts Huawei signed with global mobile operators during the MWC Barcelona held between Monday and Thursday also show the active role of Huawei in promoting the 5G development globally through cooperation.

VIVA Bahrain, the leading telecommunications provider in the Kingdom of Bahrain, signed a nationwide 5G service launch Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Huawei, the Chinese company said.

VIVA Bahrain will upgrade their existing infrastructure based on non-standalone 5G core and 4/5G dual mode radio unit and high capacity backhauling technologies, which will enable VIVA customers to access 5G services across Bahrain by June 2019.

Also in the Middle East, Saudi Telecom Company signed an "Aspiration Project" contract with Huawei, which contains E2E wireless network modernization and 5G network construction, the Chinese company said.

Etisalat, another Middle East-based mobile operator, announced in a press release that it inks a strategic partnership with Huawei to deploy end-to-end 5G network in UAE in 2019.

In Asia, XL Axiata, a leading mobile telecommunications service operator in Indonesia, decides to partner with Huawei to build Southeast Asia's first 5G ready simplified transport network, said Huawei.

Maxis, a leading converged communications and digital services company in Malaysia, signed with Huawei an MoU about collaborating to accelerate 5G in Malaysia.

In Europe, Huawei and mobile operator Nova signed an agreement on the first project on 5G testing to be executed in Iceland.

Monaco Telecom and Huawei signed a new strategic agreement on IoT (Internet of Things) to support "5G Nation" project initiated by Monaco, Huawei said.

Rain, South Africa's mobile data-only network operator, announced that it has launched the first 5G commercial network in South Africa in partnership with Huawei.
 

Nutrient

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IMO, trying to change hostile countries into a neutral/friendly stance is a lost cause.

I think China has resources to do both, to try converting hostile countries and do what you recommend below.


What China should be doing is strengthening its ties with open
friendly/neutral countries and creating its own economic network to avoid overdependence. If the USA and its vassals wants to ban Huawei and other Chinese companies, we can go elsewhere to do business. It's their loss as they'll be losing out on the most advanced 5g tech. The rest of the world is more welcoming, so why waste time engaging with hostile forces?..
 

weig2000

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Paragraph 531F of the Australian
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In other words, Australian telecommunication carriers must cooperate with the spooks. This is very similar to article 7 of China's National Intelligence Law of 2017. You will find that nearly every country will have something like this.

You don't even know about your country! But your ignorance doesn't stop you from spreading fear and hate about another nation.

As far as I know, before China enacted its National Intelligence Law, they had studied carefully many western countries' intelligence law. As you pointed above the Australian Telecommunication Act 1997 has similar article, so does the US's Cloud Act, as pointed out by Huawei Chairman Guo Ping in his keynote speech at the current MWC.

I noticed the US government's arguments against Huawei more recently have been focusing on China's National Intelligence Law, as well as UK NCSC's report on Huawei's software practice flaw. The latter is really about software engineering process, particularly the legacy codes.
 

weig2000

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Here is the article by Huawei Chairman Guo Ping published in FT this week to refute the US accusations of Huawei as cybersecurity risk.

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Proliferation of our technology hampers American efforts to spy on whomever it wants

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As a top Huawei executive, I’m often asked why the US has launched a full-scale assault on us. The Americans have charged us with stealing technology and violating trade sanctions, and largely blocked us from doing business there. Mike Pence, US vice-president, recently told Nato of “the threat posed by Huawei”, and Mike Pompeo, secretary of state, warned allies that using our telecommunications equipment would make it harder for the US to “partner alongside them.”

On Tuesday at the Mobile World Congress, the industry’s largest trade show, a US delegation led by Ajit Pai, Federal Communications Commission chair, repeated the call to keep Huawei out of global 5G networks.

Washington has cast aspersions on Huawei for years. A 2012 report by the House Intelligence Committee labelled us a threat. But, until recently, these attacks were relatively muted. Now that the US has brought out the heavy artillery and portrayed Huawei as a threat to western civilisation, we must ask why.

I believe the answer is in the top secret US National Security Agency documents leaked by Edward Snowden in 2013. Formed in 1952, the NSA monitors electronic communications, such as email and phone calls, for intelligence and counter-intelligence purposes.

The Snowden leaks shone a light on how the NSA’s leaders were seeking to “collect it all” — every electronic communication sent, or phone call made, by everyone in the world, every day. Those documents also showed that the NSA maintains “corporate partnerships” with particular US technology and telecom companies that allow the agency to “gain access to high-capacity international fibre-optic cables, switches and/or routers throughout the world”.

Huawei operates in more than 170 countries and earns half of its revenue abroad but its headquarters are in China. This significantly reduces the odds of a “corporate partnership”. If the NSA wants to modify routers or switches in order to eavesdrop, a Chinese company will be unlikely to co-operate. This is one reason why the NSA hacked into Huawei’s servers. “Many of our targets communicate over Huawei-produced products,” a 2010 NSA document states. “We want to make sure that we know how to exploit these products.”

Clearly, the more Huawei gear is installed in the world’s telecommunications networks, the harder it becomes for the NSA to “collect it all”. Huawei, in other words, hampers US efforts to spy on whomever it wants. This is the first reason for the campaign against us.

The second reason has to do with 5G. This latest generation of mobile technology will provide data connections for everything from smart factories to electric power grids. Huawei has invested heavily in 5G research for the past 10 years, putting us roughly a year ahead of our competitors. That makes us attractive to countries that are preparing to upgrade to 5G in the next few months.

If the US can keep Huawei out of the world’s 5G networks by portraying us as a security threat, it can retain its ability to spy on whomever it wants. America also directly benefits if it can quash a company that curtails its digital dominance. Hobbling a leader in 5G technology would erode the economic and social benefits that would otherwise accrue to the countries that roll it out early. Meanwhile, a range of US laws, including most recently the Cloud Act, empowers the US government to compel telecom companies to assist America’s programme of global surveillance, as long as the order is framed as an investigation involving counter-intelligence or counter-terrorism.

The fusillade being directed at Huawei is the direct result of Washington’s realisation that the US has fallen behind in developing a strategically important technology. The global campaign against Huawei has little to do with security, and everything to do with America’s desire to suppress a rising technological competitor.

The writer is a rotating chairman of Huawei Technologies
 

AssassinsMace

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National security is the go-to excuse to not follow the rules. They've shown no evidence. So they just don't want to follow the rules. If there was no national security reason, the actions they've taken would be in violation of the WTO or any other organization's rules. The US used the national security excuse for slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum from allies. The US accuses China of flooding the world with Chinese steel and it's being used in other countries steel exported to the US. Out of all the top exporting allied countries of steel to the US only South Korea buys the most at just 6% of their steel from China. Canada I believe is the top exporter of steel to the US and is not even in the top 10 countries China exports steel to. So where's all this steel that's flooding the world. It certainly isn't going to US allies for the US to think there's a national security risk. It's all just an excuse to slap tariffs on US allies' steel to protect US steel industries. The US is using national security as excuse to break the rules they expect everyone else to follow when it serves their interests first.
 
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weig2000

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Spotlight: Huawei bags multiple 5G deals during key industry expo
Xinhua| 2019-02-28 20:55:44
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Here is a tally of 5G-related agreements or MOUs telecom operators in various countries have signed with Huawei during the current WMC at Barcelona:

Asia: Indonesia (Telkomsel), Malaysia (Maxis), Saudi (STC), Bahrain (VIVA),
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Africa: South Africa (Rain)
Europe: Switzerland (Sunrise), Iceland (Nova),
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All told, eleven 5G-related agreements or MOUs singed by Huawei with carriers or telecom operators in three continents in this month.
 
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