Trade War with China

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Jono

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Tells you a lot about his character and his moral and religious upbringing.
hello there,
I understand the frustrations, anger, and deep sense of injustice felt by Chinese nationals at the hands of the western powers, USA in particular.
I know emotions do run high, but I feel that the cause can be much better served if we keep the discussions civil and factual, and refrain from personal attacks.
This is a great forum, let's keep the discussions at the usual high quality and standards, thank you.
 
hello there,
I understand the frustrations, anger, and deep sense of injustice felt by Chinese nationals at the hands of the western powers, USA in particular.
I know emotions do run high, but I feel that the cause can be much better served if we keep the discussions civil and factual, and refrain from personal attacks.
This is a great forum, let's keep the discussions at the usual high quality and standards, thank you.

Thank you Jono. Appreciate feedback. I was being civil. I did not mention whether his character, moral, or religion is bad or good. His own words speak on behalf of himself and I just highlighted it.
 

Air Force Brat

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hello there,
I understand the frustrations, anger, and deep sense of injustice felt by Chinese nationals at the hands of the western powers, USA in particular.
I know emotions do run high, but I feel that the cause can be much better served if we keep the discussions civil and factual, and refrain from personal attacks.
This is a great forum, let's keep the discussions at the usual high quality and standards, thank you.

Thank you Jono, and much appreciated Dude! I'm going to leave the "trade war" to the experts.... again, thank you, and well spoken...
 
hello there,
I understand the frustrations, anger, and deep sense of injustice felt by Chinese nationals at the hands of the western powers, USA in particular.
I know emotions do run high, but I feel that the cause can be much better served if we keep the discussions civil and factual, and refrain from personal attacks.
This is a great forum, let's keep the discussions at the usual high quality and standards, thank you.


Thank you again. Sorry cannot like your post more than once.
 

Yvrch

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Its patently obvious that China is "Squeezing Canada", by threatening to kill a Canadian citizen tried and convicted of drug smuggling in a Chinese court, and sentenced to 15 years! sounds about right, drugs are a serious problem in all of our countries....

Now comes China, trying the case once again, with no new evidence, and finding the defendant is guilty and sentencing him to death!

this is more than disturbing, its obvious what China is doing, and will further reinforce international perceptions about China!

This is not 1839.
That POS broke Chinese law on Chinese soil, so he has to pay it on Chinese terms.
He'll be dead for good, not coming back 3 days later.

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Canadian sentenced to death in China previously warned by B.C. judge to change his ways
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By Emily Lazatin Reporter CKNW

WATCH: Canadian sentenced to death in China for drug smuggling


Years before being sentenced to death by a Chinese court for drug smuggling, a B.C. Supreme Court judge warned Robert Lloyd Schellenberg to change his ways.

Justice Neill Brown told Schellenberg in 2012 that he was lucky to be living in Canada and not caught up in Libya or Syria.

The former Abbotsford man who has been sentenced to death in China for drug trafficking was warned once before by a BC Supreme Court judge.

"Your country deserves much better from you…you are in one of the best places to live….You are not caught up in Libya or Syria" pic.twitter.com/m2h5sJmrB3

— Emily Lazatin (@EmilyLazatin) January 15, 2019


“Your country deserves much better from you,” Brown said. “You are in one of the best places in the whole world to live. You are not caught up in Libya or Syria.”

Brown sentenced Schellenberg to two years jail time minus time served for drug possession for the purpose of trafficking.

READ MORE: Canadian sentenced to death in China on drugs charges will appeal: lawyer

The judge told Schellenberg to “never underestimate the seriousness of his crime.”

He went on to say he hoped it was the last time Schellenberg would appear in court.

A Chinese court ruled Schellenberg was recruited to help smuggle more than 222 kilograms of methamphetamine from China to Australia.

WATCH: Canada formally requests clemency for Canadian sentenced to death in China

He was originally detained in 2014 and sentenced two years later to 15 years in prison, but an appeals court ordered a re-trial following Canada’s detention of Chinese tech executive Meng Wanzhou at the request of the United States.

READ MORE: China criticizes Trudeau’s remarks on death sentence decision, says he should ‘respect rule of law’

Prime Minster Justin Trudeau has criticized the death sentence handed down by the Chinese court and said Canada would do all it can to intervene on Schellenberg’s behalf.
 

weig2000

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The last paragraph is the punchline.

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Pursuit of theft charges against Huawei is the second recent case where prosecutors have built criminal allegations on civil litigation

By Chuin-Wei Yap
Updated Jan. 17, 2019 9:48 a.m. ET

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adds pressure on Chinese tech giant Huawei Technologies Co. by further involving the criminal-justice system in the fight against China’s alleged encroachment on intellectual property.

It is the second case in four months where federal prosecutors have built criminal allegations on civil litigation, risking uncertain outcomes as a verdict isn’t guaranteed.

The Trump administration wants to use indictments, along with export controls and other policy tools, as part of an arsenal to counter Chinese theft of trade and technology secrets, which U.S. officials increasingly view as part of national security,
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. That has meant a more aggressive effort to convert corporate squabbles into criminal charges.

The federal investigation, first reported by The Wall Street Journal, into whether Huawei stole trade secrets from U.S. business partners arose from civil lawsuits, including one in which the Shenzhen-based company was accused of misappropriating robotic technology from wireless-network operator T-Mobile US Inc.

In November, the U.S. said it
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in China and Taiwan on charges of stealing semiconductor-design secrets from Idaho-based chip maker
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Inc., based almost entirely on litigation that Micron had filed in California courts a year earlier.

In both cases, the entry of federal prosecutors ratcheted up global attention and the stakes in what had until then been less noticed civil filings.

China said Thursday that it was concerned that a closed civil case was being reopened. “We have serious suspicions about the true motives behind it,” a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said. “If they are politicizing this case, this does not comport with the rules on fair and free competition and breaches the spirit of the rule of law.”

In the Huawei case, the jury didn’t award T-Mobile any damages in a claim of misappropriation of trade secrets and didn’t find Huawei’s alleged actions in that claim “willful or malicious”—an outcome that raises the risk that a criminal case on broadly similar terms may not deliver the verdict prosecutors want, attorneys say.

“In a civil case, you need to prevail on a preponderance of the evidence, whereas a criminal case you need beyond a reasonable doubt, a much stricter burden of proof,” said Christopher Neumeyer, an attorney specializing in intellectual property for Taiwan-based Duane Morris & Selvam. “If you can’t prevail in a civil case, how are you going to win a criminal case?”

Huawei declined to comment. The Chinese and Taiwanese companies in Micron’s case say they plan to fight the charges. Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Co. said in a statement that it isn’t guilty. The Taiwanese firm,
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Corp. , said it has 15 years of experience in making the kind of chips whose technology it has been accused of helping Jinhua to steal.

Prosecutors pursuing the pair of tech-related cases may be taking cues from a playbook set a year earlier, when a Wisconsin jury found Chinese wind-turbine maker
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Co. guilty of
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from its former U.S. supplier,
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Corp.

Attorneys say the Sinovel ruling was a landmark in using federal courts to go after Chinese companies for tech theft. Like Micron and T-Mobile, Massachusetts-based American Superconductor had tried first to take the Chinese company to court on its own—in that case, by filing suit in Beijing in 2011. That litigation went nowhere. The U.S. court ruled Sinovel must pay $59 million in fines and restitution to the American firm.

High-profile prosecutions are part of a range of weapons the U.S. can call on to shape global perceptions of China’s state-corporate behavior, as well as China’s perception of how its options might be dwindling, attorneys and analysts say. Other tools include sanctioning exports and redefining “emerging technologies” as a national security concern.

“The U.S. will pursue critical Chinese companies in any form possible,” said Alicia Garcia Herrero, chief economist at investment bank
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. “The U.S. is aiming at creating a kind of sinking feeling for China. That is, no matter what China does, there will still be new angles for the U.S. to contain it.”

On its part, Beijing has sought to allay concerns in a series of pronouncements and other policies, even before the recent escalation of litigation. President Xi Jinping in July 2017 at a financial work conference said that intellectual property infringers would “pay a heavy price,” a remark analysts describe as unusual for the occasion. And last month, dozens of government agencies vowed in a coordinated announcement tougher punishments against such wrongdoers.

The U.S. may have more tech companies it could pursue. In December, the Justice Department indicted two Chinese nationals on charges of hacking and stealing technology and other business secrets from more than 45 companies in at least a dozen U.S. states and from government agencies. The U.S. hasn’t charged any companies involved in the allegations.

In a speech accompanying the December indictments, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said one advantage of using the justice system is that it makes it difficult for China to feign ignorance when faced with a barrage of detailed allegations and corroboration.

“Exposing these actions through the criminal-justice system is a valuable tool,” he said.

But should prosecutions go awry, China may find itself with a trump card—and justification for retaliation. For some analysts, a central question remains.

“Is there really a reasonable determination that this is an appropriate case, or is it just a political thing?” Mr. Neumeyer said. “I don’t know how much of it is careful legal strategy and how much of it is tit for tat.”

—Julie Wernau contributed to this article.
 

Nutrient

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And lose the entire industry?

No, I said that Microsoft can easily make Windows stop functioning (or, as I add now, do something harmful) in China only.

If it somehow happens, America would never sell a product again, not unless they regime change, change the flag and give it a few decades. The number of jobs and lives lost would make the Great Leap Forward look like a golden harvest in comparison.

If Windows got weaponized, Microsoft would never be trusted in China, that's for sure. Actually, Microsoft's connections to the CIA are so close, the company should never have been trusted in the first place -- anywhere. It is long past time for China to declare its independence from the U.S.'s spies.
 

Nutrient

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Windows updates in China are vetted by the government before distribution. There are undoubtedly additional mechanisms in place to prevent this exact scenario from occurring.

Good luck to the vetters, I say. Some Windows updates are so enormous they can't feasibly be checked in less than years. It would be extremely easy for Microsoft to conceal something harmful in the many megabytes of new stuff. The harm could even be delayed -- the code would seem innocuous for a few years, thus passing China's vetting process, then suddenly strike.

Believe me, Microsoft is connected at the hip to the CIA; the company's products should never be trusted.
 

antiterror13

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Good luck to the vetters, I say. Some Windows updates are so enormous they can't feasibly be checked in less than years. It would be extremely easy for Microsoft to conceal something harmful in the many megabytes of new stuff. The harm could even be delayed -- the code would seem innocuous for a few years, thus passing China's vetting process, then suddenly strike.

Believe me, Microsoft is connected at the hip to the CIA; the company's products should never be trusted.

God helps me ... as I use Windows 10 everyday ..... please help me from CIA :p
 

Nutrient

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God helps me ... as I use Windows 10 everyday ..... please help me from CIA :p

When (not "if") your computer stops working, don't blame me.
Especially don't blame me if your computer infects other people's computers.
I don't use ANY version of Windows. (I use Linux.)

Oops, when I said "CIA", I should have said "NSA", which is still an American spy agency. Microsoft's connections to the latter are very well known, and China should be extremely wary. In fact, China should have developed a Windows replacement years ago.
 
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