Trade War with China

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Sarah McIver, a Canadian national, has received administrative punishment from Chinese police for illegal employment. The two nations have smooth communication on this matter and China will provide relevant convenience for Canada, Foreign Ministry spokesperson said on Thur

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I was watching the news about this, and the tone is so different comparing to the 2 other Canadian nationals that got arrested. The goverrnment was trying so hard to clarify that the 3rd arrest have no relations to the first 2.

To be honest, either the government screwed up or the media made a mess when they reported the 2 iniitial arrest. One was working for international crisis, and the second one was station near the North Korean border. You can make an assumption that they are either spies or not working within Chinese Law and the Canadian government knows about this. If they were realy regular joes that got arrested in China for no reason, I am pretty sure the Canaadian government would work its ass off with other allies into pressuring China to release them.


In regarding to trade talk, I wonder how the alleged hacking by Chinese hacker to the US will impact it. The timing are just too perfect
 

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We won't be having a word with local firms until then
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18 Dec 2018 at 18:30

Germany's top cybersecurity official has said he hasn't seen any evidence for the espionage allegations against Huawei.

Arne Schönbohm, president of the German Federal Office for Information Security (BSI), the nation's cyber-risk assessment agency in Bonn,
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that there is "currently no reliable evidence" of a risk from Huawei.

"For such serious decisions such as a ban, you need evidence," Schönbohm said. Should that change, the BSI will "actively approach German industry" he assured the paper.

Huawei has opened a facility in Bonn, in west Germany, where it shares code and allows Schönbohm's risk assessors to inspect Huawei kit. This is along the same lines as the UK's Huawei Cyber Security Evaluation Centre (HCSEC) in Banbury, informally known as "The Cell", which addresses GCHQ's concerns about backdoors in Huawei products.

This has been running for seven years and the Oversight Board has now produced four annual reports. The most recent, in July,
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that "the Oversight Board can provide only limited assurance that all risks to UK national security from Huawei's involvement in the UK's critical networks have been sufficiently mitigated".

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UK's Huawei handler dials back support for Chinese giant's kit in critical infrastructure

HCSEC attempts to replicate Huawei binaries from source code provided by the company to ensure end-to-end scrutiny. It hasn't fully completed this, the Oversight Board said, and also expressed concerns about third-party software (
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"There are no concerns about individual companies," Peter Altmaier, German Federal Minister for Economic Affairs and Energy, confirmed to
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on Monday. "But each product, each device must be secure if it is going to be used in Germany."

The Five Eyes states have led concerns against Huawei without citing specific evidence. Australia confirmed in 2013 that it had blocked Huawei from its NBN fibre programme, and in August
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it from selling 5G gear. A
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last month suggested New Zealand companies were being advised to avoid doing deals with Huawei.

Twelve days ago,
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, on a US warrant over an unrelated issue: circumventing sanctions against Iran.

Huawei privately bridles at comparisons with the state-owned telco ZTE and can point out that it has been the victim of hacking. In 2014, the
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and
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reported on "Operation Shotgiant", a multiyear operation by America's National Security Agency (NSA) that infiltrated Huawei's network at its Shenzhen HQ and yielded confidential source code.

"Many of our targets communicate over Huawei produced products, we want to make sure that we know how to exploit these products," one NSA document explained.

"The Huawei revelations are devastating rebuttals to hypocritical US complaints about Chinese penetration of US networks,"
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former DoD counsel Jack Goldsmith.

Deutsche Telekom has a close strategic relationship with Huawei but said it was
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matters this week. Orange pledged to continue its relationships with Huawei's European 5G rivals, Nokia and Ericsson.

Which comes as relief for the latter. The UK's O2 is reportedly seeking up to £100m in damages from Ericsson for a
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that deprived over 30 million customers of
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sorry abouot multipost but don't relly know how to do multi quotes.

I was trying to locate this the article before when the US tried to scrutinized Huawei initially and try to drum up that Huawei hadback door, but in the end, it was NSA that was trying to hack the networks and they were trying to put in backdoor in Huawei networks also. From this I can kind of understand why the alllies is banning Huawei. Maybe they are not trying to prevent China from spying, but preventing US from spying them
 
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Zool

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sorry abouot multipost but don't relly know how to do multi quotes.

I was trying to locate this the article before when the US tried to scrutinized Huawei initially and try to drum up that Huawei hadback door, but in the end, it was NSA that was trying to hack the networks and they were trying to put in backdoor in Huawei networks also. From this I can kind of understand why the alllies is banning Huawei. Maybe they are not trying to prevent China from spying, but preventing US from spying them

I mean, the reality is that all governments spy to the best of their abilities, and it's not a limited practice just between rivals, seen with the US and Germany or Israel and the US, as examples.

Does Huawei work with the Chinese government to facilitate spying through its routers and data center tech? Probably. Just as the US similarly works with CISCO. I don't know that its at the level of embedding dedicated spy hardware into the devices though; it could be limited to providing access to the hardware specs and firmware so Chinese security services can develop their own 'tools'. And this is basically what the German BSI is saying - We don't have any obvious piece of tech that can be said to be there for the purposes of espionage on behalf of China.

And when it comes to smartphones and consumer level devices, its unlikely China is interested in spying on the average Jane or Joe. Espionage usually looks for gains in the strategic military or commercial sphere. So trying to block Huawei or other Chinese brand phones from the market, and general scaremongering at the consumer level re: Chinese spying, seems to me more about economic protectionism and economic warfare; we are in the middle of a trade war after all.
 
LOL! that's cunning:
sorry abouot multipost but don't relly know how to do multi quotes.

I was trying to locate this the article before when the US tried to scrutinized Huawei initially and try to drum up that Huawei hadback door, but in the end, it was NSA that was trying to hack the networks and they were trying to put in backdoor in Huawei networks also. From this I can kind of understand why the alllies is banning Huawei. Maybe they are not trying to prevent China from spying, but preventing US from spying them
the West, not to be spied on by the NSA, not to buy Huawei, according to
ahho
 
now I read
US Indicts Chinese Nationals for Hacking: Chinese FM: American allegations fabricated, baseless
2018-12-21 22:40 GMT+8
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Beijing is criticizing the US indictments on two Chinese nationals accused of cyber espionage. The Chinese Foreign Ministry has called the allegations fabricated and baseless, saying Washington has violated the basic norms of international relations. The Ministry said China has been consistent and clear in defending cyber security, and urged the US and its allies to stop slandering China. The two Chinese are NOT in custody at the moment, but they have been put on a wanted list of American law enforcement. CGTN's Owen Fairclough reports.

Amid a trade war between the U.S. and China, a fresh complication for their relationship.

GEOFFREY BERMAN US ATTORNEY FOR SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK "Today, we announce charges against two Chinese hackers, Zhu Hua and Zhang Shilong."

Without offering specific evidence, justice officials say the pair belong to a Chinese government-backed group called APT10 connected to China's main intelligence agency. The group allegedly spent at least 12 years hacking computer networks from Brazil to the United Kingdom and targeted 45 U.S. companies, all aim at stealing trade secrets and personal information to give China a technological edge.

GEOFFREY BERMAN US ATTORNEY FOR SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK "Members of APT10 stole confidential personal information, including social security numbers and dates of birth for over 100,000 Navy personnel."

This indictment has been made at a sensitive time for U.S. - China relations - as the two are trying to resolve a trade war triggered partly by Washington's complaints that China steals trade secrets. And the Department of Justice had to fend off suggestions that the Trump administration is using this case to pressure China into favourable terms.

ROD ROSENSTEIN US DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL "We have a responsibility to investigate cases based on the facts and we need to apply the law and make independent decisions about what steps to take. Our decisions about whether or not a case merits prosecution are not affected by any other political considerations."

Even so, technology is a flashpoint in Washington's relationship with Beijing. The U.S. is trying to extradite the Chief Finance Officer of Chinese telecom giant Huawei Meng Wanzhou to face charges it violated Iran sanctions. The company has been banned from the U.S. over claims it threatens national security.

OWEN FAIRCLOUGH WASHINGTON "Justice officials here say more than 90 percent of economic espionage cases over the past seven years involve China and that this indictment violates a 2015 bilateral agreement with the U.S. to stop cyber hacking. China's government has repeatedly denied any involvement. OFA, CGTN, Washington."
 
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Allegations against China of cyber attacks reported by Canadian media were fabricated stories, which have seriously misled the public, the Chinese embassy in Ottawa said Fri, adding those countries that own global spying networks are playing the trick of a thief crying stop thief

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ougoah

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but the US spy on everybody for a good cause and everybody must accept and glorify it ..... because the US is always good ;) .. just simply trust the US govt

Of course! Why shouldn't people trust them. They never slaughtered millions of their own citizens like those commies and they never did anybody any wrong ever. It is only natural for the world to follow the US and believe in the exceptionalism of their system and rule... which has NEVER been biased or sinister in nature.

:D;)
 

antiterror13

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Of course! Why shouldn't people trust them. They never slaughtered millions of their own citizens like those commies and they never did anybody any wrong ever. It is only natural for the world to follow the US and believe in the exceptionalism of their system and rule... which has NEVER been biased or sinister in nature.

:D;)

just to add that the US never invaded any countries or toppled any legitimate governments .. never ... all just a lie :p

The US never started any wars .. all just a lie as well :eek:
 
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