Trade War with China

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SteelBird

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Apple is the shittiest phone out there.

My wife went to make an appointment to change her iPhone 6 battery, because you know, Apple throttles cpu when the phone's battery gets old. The guy told her they had to wipe her data. To replace a goddamn battery!

Apple treats its users like retards. I can open up my Samsung or LG and change the battery in 30 seconds, but Apple? You need to bloody back up your data first!

Worse yet, you can't just plug the phone into a computer (unless maybe if it's a mac) and just copy everything. No, you have to download the craptastic bloatware known as iTunes. No, I don't want to buy music or movies from your goddamn store, I just want to back up my data!
Never touch an iPhone. the reason behind this is because iPhone's software is locked, you can't install apps which aren't allowed by Apple. But if you insist, you have to jailbreak the phone. I (if I buy it) spend hundreds of dollar to buy a phone, why do i need to act like a thief? So, I only choose an Android phone and Samsung or Huawei is either my choice. Currently I'm using Huawei Mate 8 and it's about time for a new phone. Samsung Note 9 is on the list.
 

Tam

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It's about time China cut into Apple. My mom likes it because she's never used Android and she hates change, but she hates wasting money more. Next time her iphone goes into battery-waste, I'm getting her a $600 Huawei and she'll be done with Apple.

Like I said before, they cannot scare or intimidate Chinese people; they can only make Chinese people angry and more determined.
After Huawei executive's arrest, some Chinese companies retaliate against Apple
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"A growing number of companies across China have announced new policies requiring the exclusive use of Huawei products, and in some cases penalizing employees who purchase iPhones, in what appears to be a growing domestic movement to support the Chinese tech giant after the arrest of one of its top executives in Canada."

Its already being said that Apple will be the biggest loser from this Huawei fiasco. Not because the Chinese government will take action against Apple, no far from that. Its because Chinese will voluntarily not buy Apple products in favor of something else, some form of nationalism consumerism going on. There are tariffs on US oil and gas imposed by the Chinese government, but Chinese companies stopped buying them altogether.

Apple is already in a vulnerable spot in the stock markets right now. If next month, if sales are not up to the high expectations, the stock can get hit and drag the US stock market down.
 

hkbc

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Its already being said that Apple will be the biggest loser from this Huawei fiasco. Not because the Chinese government will take action against Apple, no far from that. Its because Chinese will voluntarily not buy Apple products in favor of something else, some form of nationalism consumerism going on. There are tariffs on US oil and gas imposed by the Chinese government, but Chinese companies stopped buying them altogether.

Apple is already in a vulnerable spot in the stock markets right now. If next month, if sales are not up to the high expectations, the stock can get hit and drag the US stock market down.

It's the flip side of when the "US establishment" encouraged the "private" cellular telcos not to stock Huawei handsets, or in one instance cancel an agreement to do so! Usual American "free trade" practices, only as many have pointed out the Chinese market for lots of goods is now bigger than the US one so their bully boy tactics when reciprocated will sting.

It's no surprise that a number of "US" corporations (e.g. GM) that have larger businesses in China than the US have done what they've done, after all they have a duty to their shareholders to maximise returns, the basis and raison d'etre of Anglo Saxon Capitalism, least we forget!

However, sensationalised there is, sadly, a grain of truth to the headline "if you can't beat them, kidnap their daughters" taking two days and counting to figure out whether to grant someone bail after incarcerating them for a week, when no crime was committed in your country and it's not political! yeah right!
 
I wonder, if the West wants China to adopt Western Free Market/IP rules/democracy, would that also include Western Imperialism/"humanitarian" intervention?
Asians are stereotyped as nerdy and meek, but are somehow seen as a threat like the Jews.

The stereotyping and threat/fearmongering work together in a system of prejudice. Stereotype is to assassinate character, once the character is negative then base the threat/fearmongering on it so any success and power are undeserved and offensive.
 

Faithlock

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I feel sad to see this happening....

Are we seeing the modern day "Unequal Treaty" happening in front of our eyes 80 years after modern China broke free from 300 years of national shame.

A normal negotiation involves both parties gain some and lose some. Party A gain some in area 1 while lose some in area 2. Conversely, party B gain some in area 2 while lose some in area 1. If party A is much bigger than party B, then party B will lose more and gain less.

But either way, both party will gain something.

If we use the beginning of Trump as the starting point, and fast forward to today, I honestly did not see anything China had gained.

I see China is going to buy more US goods, allows more US companies to control China's companies, passes IP legislation to allow more profit for US companies, while US is busying kidnap China national for additional bargaining chip. All this just for delaying of punishment of tariff for 90 days.

I am still not seeing what concession US had made.

If this is not "Unequal Treaty" in the making, I don't know what it is.

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Western media hates Trump and they don't want to give him any credit. But I wish they can start to call this for what it is. Trump is about to force President Xi to make a modern day "Unequal Treaty".

I know there is no way President Xi can be criticized in China. But history book will record all this.
 
If the US arrested a Chinese government official, that would be an act of war. I'm sure Trump's minions suggested arresting Xi in his travels. So instead they're arresting Chinese business executives in order to scare them from doing business in other countries while also scaring US companies from doing business in China in fear of being arrested in retaliation.

If only the US was as keen on holding domestic executives responsible for their companies' actions when it came to the financial crisis then the world would be a much better place today.
 

solarz

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huh..... I have send my Samsung to a sevice centre to replace the battery.The whole process takes about a week with$30 courier fees.

Why would you do that? You can buy a replacement battery online and pop it in yourself. Doesn't even need to be a Samsung battery.
 

localizer

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Trump is preparing to condemn China for alleged theft of US trade secrets; DOJ expected to announce charges against hackers: Report
  • Multiple arms of the Trump administration are preparing to condemn China this week for allegedly stealing U.S. trade secrets and technologies, according to a new report.
  • The Washington Post, citing U.S. officials, reported Tuesday that President Donald Trump's Department of Justice is also expected to announce charges against multiple alleged hackers thought to be working for a Chinese intelligence service.
  • Additionally, the administration plans to disclose classified information about breaches of U.S. networks and sanction some of the people deemed responsible.

Honestly I don’t think people even care anymore. They’ve oversold it.
 

Quickie

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Huawei Arrest Sparks Chinese Backlash That Could Hurt U.S. Talks


  • Social media users call for boycotts, leave angry comments

  • Companies offer subsidies if employees buy Huawei products


Calls to boycott Canadian goods, throw away iPhones and load up on
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handsets are among signs of budding public anger in China over the arrest of the Chinese technology giant’s chief financial officer in Vancouver.



A number of Chinese companies have posted
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to their social media accounts proclaiming support for Huawei, while offering employees subsidies and other incentives to purchase the firm’s products. Shenzhen-based Menpad also threatened to
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employees if they bought Apple Inc.’s phones, according to its website, while some social media users offered ideas on how to get rid of iPhones.


The arrest of Meng Wanzhou has grabbed global attention amid concerns her detention could derail talks between the U.S. and China to hammer out a trade deal. Escalating public outrage in China could leave Beijing little room to compromise as authorities weigh their desire to buoy the economy against the need to not appear weak at home.


Over the past weekend, the Chinese government separately summoned the ambassadors of Canada and the U.S. to condemn the arrest, including
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of grave consequences. China’s state media have
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a “despicable rogue’s approach" and painted the move as a politically motivated effort to contain China’s rise.



Canadian authorities detained Meng on Dec. 1 on behalf of the U.S., which alleges she committed fraud to sidestep sanctions against Iran and is seeking her extradition to stand trial.

Comparatively Muted
Though the sentiment echoes the fury that erupted into anti-Japanese
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and boycotts in 2012 over control of islands claimed by both countries, the reaction to Meng’s arrest is still comparatively muted, and has been contained mostly online. The protests six years earlier saw demonstrators
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, set fire to some showrooms and force the closure of Uniqlo apparel outlets owned by Fast Retailing Co.

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with comments denouncing the arrest and calling for Meng’s release. Calls have also gone out on Weibo to boycott
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, including Canada Goose Holdings Inc. The luxury parka-maker, which has plans to launch a flagship store in Beijing, has seen its stock plunge 18 percent since news of Meng’s arrest.



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Chinese authorities do appear to be taking steps to rein in the furor, according to a report by China Digital Times. The U.S.-based outlet, which tracks China’s censorship of online content, reported that Chinese media received a government
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to stick to official reporting on the arrest and to "strictly manage comments."

Meanwhile, security outside the U.S. embassy in Beijing is tight. On Tuesday afternoon, at least 10 policemen stood guard in addition to the usual military personnel, accompanied by a German Shepherd guard dog. A police car was seen parked outside the Canadian building this morning, while a police officer patrolled the street.
 
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