Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

Dolcevita said:

Note that US has set the precedence. US persons travelling to China, HK and Macau will be fair game and this can serve as the justification.

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The justification of this is a long President in criminal and law. The US has in the past arrested individuals from foreign countries who sold or in other manors circumvented American sanction, IP, and embargo including Chinese citizens.

Its been reported Meng case was done by the hawkish elements in US without letting Trump know. They try to force Trump not to go easy on China.

sleepy said:

Its been reported Meng case was done by the hawkish elements in US without letting Trump know. They try to force Trump not to go easy on China.

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Deep state always finds a way

In the 1980s the USA blocked sales of Japanese NEC supercomputers to the USA so Cray could keep their market share. Federal Courts kept blocking purchases of NEC supercomputers. Even then Cray eventually went bankrupt as it was replaced by clusters of more inexpensive server processors. The USA has always been highly protectionist and that was even with someone who was basically under their thumb. The USA was basically scared that Japan would someday surpass their own economy. South Korea managed to do as well as they did, because the USA did not consider them as a possible economic rival to begin with. i.e. they think the Koreans are easier to control.

If China invaded Taiwan and South Korea world production of the vast majority of semiconductors would cease for around two years. That is how long it would take to build new factories to replace the ones that were lost. If things were really dire it could take up to four years to replace the lost production. If China does nothing even then USA semiconductor manufacturing capabilities will continue to shrink. GlobalFoundries, for example, is funded by petrostates and is a continuous money loss for those investors. Eventually they will either downscale or entirely sell the company. Even AMD which used to own those factories does not use them to manufacture a lot of their CPUs now having switched to TSMC. Intel keeps losing market share and profits and their factories are not operating at maximum capacity. They keep trying to introduce new products which keep failing in the market. You can count the amount of leading global semiconductor companies who own their own factories with one hand basically. Three decades ago basically everyone who designed chips had their own factories. The problem has been machine tool costs which double with each process generation i.e. two years.

sleepy said:

Its been reported Meng case was done by the hawkish elements in US without letting Trump know. They try to force Trump not to go easy on China.

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Even if that is true quite likely Trump will not punish those people in his government who are behind this. Notice how they spread over the news that the motive was Huawei sold telecoms equipment to Iran. New York, the location of the court which requests Meng's extradition, is one of the cities on Earth with the highest total Jewish population. Also, if you read about Trump's financial fortunes, he has been bankrupt several times. When he went bankrupt with the Taj on Atlantic City, for example, guess how he saved his neck? One of his jewish banker friends renegotiated his debts so Trump only had to pay a fraction of what he owed to his creditors. That's the 'miracle' behind his escapes from bankruptcy. Who did his daughter Ivanka marry? A rich jewish heir from a construction company. Before marrying? Allegedly she dated one of the Rothschild family heirs. All the hawks have to do is to play the Israel card and Trump will do anything they want to do. They have figured that out already by now. Hence his actions towards Syria and Iran thus far. The Jewish lobby has always been strong in Washington, only less so when Obama was in power since he had a different support base, but Trump, unlike Obama, 'owes' them a lot of favors. A lot of the Evangelic Christians, like Mike Pence, also think the Jews are the people chosen by God so they will also typically defer to them.

Besides, the USA had to to find someway to torpedo China's 2025 initiative and this is one of the ways they seem to have chosen to do it. Nothing new here, the USA has sanctioned or incarcerated several Russian oligarchs and put sanctions on Russia to the point where they basically sold all their USA treasuries. Why bother when you cannot buy anything useful from the USA with those treasuries? Plus it is not like Russia needs to buy oil.

I think China needs to continue to exert restraint and try to reduce its dependency on unsafe foreign energy sources (i.e. Canadian or USA oil and LNG) and should strive for self-sufficiency in terms of basic foodstuffs.

The idea that the US can charge Huawei' CFO for criminal charges is ludicrous to the extreme. Leaving aside the charges of fraud which at this point sounds more like a cover charge until they can get something else to stick on her.
This boils down to international law vs that of domestic. Huawei's CFO is a Chinese citizen and as far as China is concerned, trading with Iran is not a crime. While the US may chaff at it, the appropriate way would be to enact sanctions against the company in question or to forbade it from trading with US counterparts. To arrest a foreign citizen for actions that are not committed on US soil and are not in violation of the citizen's own nation's laws is to unilaterally extend jurisdiction and violating the sovereignty of the nation in question.
Also, having used 7 passports in the past 11 years hardly counts as an offence in on itself. As far as one is concerned, it is entirely up to the person's discretion to change his or her passport as many times as he or she wish, as long as the identity remains the same.
But of course all of this remains the realm of academic discussion, reality however is a far different story. In the battle of opposing national sovereignty, there is no such thing as a middle ground.

She currently has two passports - 1 from China and 1 from Hong Kong:

"Meng holds two valid passports, one from Hong Kong and one from China. Her Hong Kong passport has already been seized by authorities, and the other is being prepared for surrender to the RCMP. "



I don't see a problem with changing passports on a frequent basis as long as the printed identity is still the same. She's a high profile executive of a major global corporation after all so it was probably done for privacy and safety reasons.

this is like otto warmbier situation lol
hope she doesn't get maimed in murica prison.

Tam said:

They already shot their foot a long time ago not allowing Huawei and ZTE on 4G networks. So there is no foot left to shoot again.

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When 4G was being deployed, China had a much smaller consumer retail market than the USA, and spent a lot less on R&D as well.

But China should pass the USA on these metrics in 2018/2019, which is when 5G will be deployed.

AndrewS said:

When 4G was being deployed, China had a much smaller consumer retail market than the USA, and spent a lot less on R&D as well.

But China should pass the USA on these metrics in 2018/2019, which is when 5G will be deployed.

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This occurred this year, but we already have major clue on this a few years before when Single's Day in China far outspends Black Friday + Cyber Monday combined in the US.