J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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Dizasta1

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It's water. Approximate order of number you see fit?
It wasn't an offensive, just asking for your take.
Proportionate=american? Or another ratio?

Btw, protection of trade routes isn't a suitable task of air force.

Well in my view, the tanker fleet's size, would entirely depend on the size of its air assets. With fighter fleet that focuses on Air Dominance, and that has a size (let's say) 1500-2500 fighters (of various types, like J-20, J-31, J-11 & J-10). Add to that, Air Mobility role, which would have around 100 or so Y-20s. Plus around 70-90 Strike role aircraft (bombers). The PLAAF ought to have a tanker fleet of around 150-190 aircraft (in total), in order to establish a steady flow of operations at any given time. It would also depend on China's military bases, situated both in-country and globally.

The Chinese military does have a military base in Djibouti, plus there several military bases in South China Sea. Which stands to reason, that China's operations are essential to the existence of SCS.
 

AndrewS

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Well in my view, the tanker fleet's size, would entirely depend on the size of its air assets. With fighter fleet that focuses on Air Dominance, and that has a size (let's say) 1500-2500 fighters (of various types, like J-20, J-31, J-11 & J-10). Add to that, Air Mobility role, which would have around 100 or so Y-20s. Plus around 70-90 Strike role aircraft (bombers). The PLAAF ought to have a tanker fleet of around 150-190 aircraft (in total), in order to establish a steady flow of operations at any given time. It would also depend on China's military bases, situated both in-country and globally.

The Chinese military does have a military base in Djibouti, plus there several military bases in South China Sea. Which stands to reason, that China's operations are essential to the existence of SCS.

2 points.

1. The size of the aircraft can make a big difference to the number of tankers required.
2. If China is still contesting air dominance in the Western Pacific, the need for tankers is really minimised because fighters don't need to travel far, and there's no point having lots of tankers.
But if that task is achieved, then the demand for tankers increased rapidly due to longer distance operations.

Realistically, China will still not be able to achieve air dominance in the Western Pacific in the next decade at a minimum.
 
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Dizasta1

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"Air Dominance," is achieved when an Air Force brings together a multitude of assets in its inventory, in order establish saturated presence in an area of operation.

From UAVs, to Satellites, that provide surveillance in the area of operation. To EW aircraft that supress enemy early warning radars. To Air-Superiority fighters that ensure the skies are cleared for the bombers to hit their targets. To AEW Aircraft, which provide real time situational awareness. All of these assets come together, for sustained periods, in order to establish "Air Dominance." And a critical element to ensure that there is a sustained presence of these assets, in the area of operations, is the tanker fleet. It's not just the range which factors in dominating an air space, it's also endurance. And the latter is far more crucial in winning wars, than how far you can reach, or need to reach.

China ought to dominate the Pacific Rim. After all, this area is at China's door step and China's trade has expanded phenomenally, on a global scale. So it is only logical for China to ensure that its trade, commerce or what have you, is not susceptible to any threat. China has more trade with Asia and Africa, than America has in either of these two continents. And China, unlike America, has one coast line and it adjacent to the Pacific Rim.

Also, when an Air Force utilizes it's tankers, it is done so with these assets running circuit outside the danger zone. Wouldn't make sense to send them tankers in the thick of things, only to have them lost to a volley of AAMs. Besides, combat assets require refueling on return and/or prior to entering the air space that is being contested.

As to when China can achieve the capability to establish Air Dominance over the Pacific Rim. Well, China has another decade or so to sort itself out, before things really hit a critical point. Same goes for Russia. By 2035, things would be far too intense and volatile, for peace to ever have a chance to prevail.

Pieces on the chessboard, move at gradual pace before they hit critical. And "critical" is just round the corner.
 

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China ‘nearing mass production’ of J-20 stealth fighter after engine problems ironed out . . . .

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The most anticipated J-20, reportedly, has arrived at an air base near Zhuhai, waiting for its show time.
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[Zhuhai 2018] Trois chasseurs J-20 sont arrivés à la base aérienne de Shadi (佛山沙堤机场) pour préparer leur participation au Salon aéronautique de Zhuhai. Les vols autour de la base ont fait le bonheur des élèves d'un lycée situé juste à côté. Vidéo via 星海 小森林子

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[Zhuhai 2018] Three J-20 fighters arrived at Shadi Air Base (佛山沙堤机场) to prepare for their participation in the Zhuhai Aviation show. The flights around the base made the students happy at a high school located next door. Video via 星海 小森林子

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PLAAF info on the J-20 delta wing and canards whats its advantage and implication for People's Liberation Army Air Force..

The delta-wing, a triangular wing platform, offers two important aerodynamic qualities to a combat aircraft. First, the swept leading edge of a delta-wing stays ahead of the shock wave generated by the nose of the aircraft during supersonic flight, making delta-wing a very efficient aerodynamic wing shape for supersonic flight. And secondly, the leading edge of delta-wing also generates a massive vortex that attaches itself to the upper surface of the wing during high angle-of-attack (AOA) maneuvers resulting in very high stall points. Additionaly, the delta-wing offers increased survivability by having increased structural and airflow stability. Contrary to what other people think about J-20 canards that it will lessen its stealth capability and RCS, the fact that the canards are alined on the same plan with the wings, the "bad" impact of canard on RCS is highly reduced. With J-20's Planform alignment leading and trailing edges are swept at carefully selected angles to redirect radar energy to these angles and NOT towards the front.

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