H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

H2O · Oct 14, 2018

Hyperwarp said:
The person who created those CG is using this patch as a base and filling the gaps with their imagination. Now, what does that patch actually depict? Could it be a UCAV?

It's impossible to tell, even with danielchin's translation. It could be UCAV or a generic picture.

gelgoog said:
If the number of H-6 bombers built provides any indication I suspect at least 80-120 units. That is if the design proves to be capable.
I was personally rather surprised at Xian's build rates for both the Y-20 and the H-6K so I wouldn't expect this to be a boutique design like the B2.

Also, consider that China also uses the H-6 as an air refueling platform. If they follow this trend with the H-20 the number of units built might be much higher than that. How would you refuel the J-20s for a strike package aimed at the second island chain for example?

Are you suggesting a stealth tanker? I suppose that might work, but it would expose the H-20 RCS value prematurely. Use it often enough and someone will figure it out. I doubt the PLAAF would risk it. However, I'm expecting a Y-20 tanker variant.

Stratton · Oct 14, 2018

TerraN_EmpirE said:
That is the reason why fifth gens are not just stealthed but loaded up with advances radar and networking. It's also why you have work being done to integrate more powerful radars into drones. Because no matter what kind of AWACS or Tanker you have transport, cargo bird or airliner hulls are huge radar targets visible from a long way.
The radar concept in fifth gens is to try and move some of that ARE ability into the fighters so inessence the fighter wing is its own AWACS. This can then be augmented by secondary radars in drones.

Bingo.
The counter stealth technology still has limits of range. I E a counter stealth radar can see a stealth farther out but not at full range. So where a conventional radar might see a conventional fight out to say 1000miles. It sees a stealth at only a dozen. A antistealth might see a conventional fighter again at a 1000miles but a stealth at a hundred.
So the stealth counters by using weapons like antiradiation missiles to nail the antistealth system.
100 is the planned minimum asked for by the USAF. Congress can still decide to chop that up or on the other side keep building them up to hundreds.

And even if you can spot a stealth aircraft, you need to have a killchain that works.

Deino · Oct 15, 2018

Hmmm ... how likely is this?

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Chinese media has announced on 15 October that the newest long-range strategic bomber will unveil during a parade as part of the 70th anniversary celebrations of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) in 2019.

According to the news reports, China to unveil its new long-range strategic bomber at the large-scale air force military parade to mark the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PLAAF. However, there’s no official statement or confirmed from the Chinese government or military.

Also, what kind of Chinese media has announced this? Any random internet media? The unreliable SCMP or again Global Times?

I must admit even if there's indeed a lot of "noise" concerning the H-20 recently, IMO none of the reliable reports directly hint an "appearance soon" or even less a "maiden flight"; these only mention a certain break-thru in design & development. ... therefore these hyping reports like the one from Global Times quoting a Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta - IMO barely reliable in top secret Chinese military matters - and even worse mentioning the wrong aircraft designer, should be IMO at best ignored.

Blitzo · Oct 15, 2018

Deino said:
Hmmm ... how likely is this?

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Also, what kind of Chinese media has announced this? Any random internet media? The unreliable SCMP or again Global Times?

no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if the author had misread or misinterpreted recent news about H-20. Defence blog isn't exactly my go to source for high quality defence news or commentary in general let alone PLA news.

Deino · Oct 15, 2018

Bltizo said:
no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if the author had misread or misinterpreted recent news about H-20. Defence blog isn't exactly my go to source for high quality defence news or commentary in general let alone PLA news.

Exactly ... therefore my additional comment to my original post above:

I must admit even if there's indeed a lot of "noise" concerning the H-20 recently, IMO none of the reliable reports directly hint an "appearance soon" or even less a "maiden flight"; these only mention a certain break-thru in design & development. ... therefore these hyping reports like the one from Global Times quoting a Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta - IMO barely reliable in top secret Chinese military matters - and even worse mentioning the wrong aircraft designer, should be IMO at best ignored.

SilentObserver · Oct 17, 2018

AssassinsMace said:
Looks similar to the person who did this one.

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Deino said:

The logo silhouette does resemble this bomber design but it contradicts the AVIC promotional video due to the wiglets. Maybe it is a separate program.

Hyperwarp · Oct 17, 2018

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Is this cover purely guesswork or could it have some legitimacy?

Blitzo · Oct 17, 2018

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Is this cover purely guesswork or could it have some legitimacy?

If you do a search of "H-20 bomber" then you can find some other images from the same series. I doubt it is intended to have any legitimacy.

gelgoog · Oct 17, 2018

We have heard reports from Chinese military officials years back that the first H-20 flight is supposed to happen in 2019. So this is a non-news news really.

Unless we hear something about the construction of the prototype, which typically never happens in Chinese aircraft projects until they roll the thing out of the factory door, we'll just have to wait.

Zool · Oct 17, 2018

Speculation is certainly making the rounds!

"Andreas Rupprecht, a Chinese military aviation scholar with the US-based Jamestown Foundation, has said that the bomber's been in development since the late 1990s or early 2000s."

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China’s Hong-20 long-range stealth bomber is reportedly going to be unveiled publicly for the first time during the 70th anniversary of the People's’ Liberation Army-Air Force in 2019.

According to The Diplomat and The Defence Blog, the mostly secret aircraft will be unveiled during the anniversary festivities celebrating the founding of the nation's air force. The outlets cited various Chinese media reports from October 15, though the Chinese military has yet to corroborate these reports.

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According to The Diplomat, the H-20 is specified to include a flying-wing configuration, an intercontinental range of more than 5,000 kilometers, a substantially greater payload than the H-6K and the capability of carrying nuclear weapons. The aircraft can carry at least 10 tons of air-to-surface explosives.

Chinese Central Television confirmed the H-20's designation as the "new long-range strategic bomber" poised to complement the Chinese air force's H-6K bomber force during an August documentary. The video report is said to have marked the first time Chinese officials acknowledged the program's designation publicly.

Andreas Rupprecht, a Chinese military aviation scholar with the US-based Jamestown Foundation, has said that the bomber's been in development since the late 1990s or early 2000s.

Chinese television reports declared last month that the top-secret aircraft would make its maiden flight "
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H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

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