Aircraft Carriers III

Obi Wan Russell

Jedi Master
VIP Professional
Big Liz will sail for the USA tomorrow evening (Saturday 18th) at 6pm.

This is RUMOUR CONTROL, and here are the facts:

WESTLANT18 - WHAT'S IT ABOUT & WHAT'S HAPPENING?

WESTLANT18 is the deployment title given to the imminent (longer than) 3 month deployment of HMS QE to the Eastern seaboard of the USA and other nearby areas to continue trials associated with both the Ship's capabilities and also to operate with the F35B for the first time on clearance trials. These trials using the F35B are also as much about the Ship's crew learning to operate the F35B and what detailed Ship’s procedures and limits need to be applied. Its about ship/air integration as much as the clearance of the F35B itself to use the QE class.
Remember this is not an operational deployment as the Ship and its air wing types are still in transition to clear, develop and train for the full operational capability in accordance with he MoD's Master UK CEPP Transition plan.
Here is some top level information about WESTLANT18 and some of the timetable as yet available.

The QE is believed to be escorted to the US by 1 T23 frigate (HMS Montrose) and 1 RFA Tide class FR Tanker

PRINCIPLE DEPLOYMENT TASKS:
1) Carry out First of Class F35B Flying Trials (Phase One in 2 parts - DT-1 and DT-2). There is a separate Group file available on the detail of the F35 trials.
2) Carry out hot and humid climate/warm water ship performance and reliability trials
3) Carry out UK Defence Diplomacy Activities - including visits to USN bases, the port of New York, and other ports as yet to be announced
4) Deliver or recover UK resources and equipment associated with a combined and joint (overland) UK/US exercise.

DEPLOYING & JOINING UNITS
In addition to the standard operating crew, elements of the UK CSG HQ and additional UK military observers, HMS QE will embark the following as shown and described separately in each of the attached pics below.

INTIAL ITINERARY
The following itinerary is understood (although precise dates are not yet available publicly, partly due to security considerations.
1) Depart UK 18 Aug 18 as readiness permits, and load remaining elements (820 & 845NAS) off Cornwall
2) Proceed direct to USN Mayport, Florida for several days berthed.
3) Proceed 2nd week of Sept to Caribbean Waters for hot weather and warm sea water ship trial. (It is not yet known if the QE will approach or berth at any British or other islands during this week long period)
4) Proceed to USN Base Norfolk, Virginia for shore leave and pre-F35B FOCFT preparations and loading.
5) Carry out DT-1 FOCFT - First landings and take off trials of F35B from the QE class - planned to start during last week of September for 3 weeks. It is understood the first F35B landing on HMS QE will occur on 22 Sep 18 all relevant factors being aligned.
6) Visit New York
4) Carry out DT-2 F35B FOCFT for 3 weeks late Oct/early Nov
5) Return to USN Base Norfolk to reconfigure and reload equipment post UK/US exercise for return to the UK
6) Further possible Defence Diplomacy activities and visits - as yet unannounced - possible visit to Canada TBC.
7) Mid December at the latest - Return to Portsmouth.

Note that to ensure that DT-1 and DT-2 can be achieved and the right weather and sea states data points achieved, then the QE is expected to move around the western Atlantic as best possible to find the relevant conditions. This might alter the time taken for both trial periods too.30652693_1766693050035543_6530504901964616457_n.jpg 35191402_1019398004874433_8843425378581086208_o.jpg
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Big Liz will sail for the USA tomorrow evening (Saturday 18th) at 6pm.

This is RUMOUR CONTROL, and here are the facts:

WESTLANT18 - WHAT'S IT ABOUT & WHAT'S HAPPENING?

WESTLANT18 is the deployment title given to the imminent (longer than) 3 month deployment of HMS QE to the Eastern seaboard of the USA and other nearby areas to continue trials associated with both the Ship's capabilities and also to operate with the F35B for the first time on clearance trials. These trials using the F35B are also as much about the Ship's crew learning to operate the F35B and what detailed Ship’s procedures and limits need to be applied. Its about ship/air integration as much as the clearance of the F35B itself to use the QE class.
Remember this is not an operational deployment as the Ship and its air wing types are still in transition to clear, develop and train for the full operational capability in accordance with he MoD's Master UK CEPP Transition plan.
Here is some top level information about WESTLANT18 and some of the timetable as yet available.

The QE is believed to be escorted to the US by 1 T23 frigate (HMS Montrose) and 1 RFA Tide class FR Tanker

PRINCIPLE DEPLOYMENT TASKS:
1) Carry out First of Class F35B Flying Trials (Phase One in 2 parts - DT-1 and DT-2). There is a separate Group file available on the detail of the F35 trials.
2) Carry out hot and humid climate/warm water ship performance and reliability trials
3) Carry out UK Defence Diplomacy Activities - including visits to USN bases, the port of New York, and other ports as yet to be announced
4) Deliver or recover UK resources and equipment associated with a combined and joint (overland) UK/US exercise.

DEPLOYING & JOINING UNITS
In addition to the standard operating crew, elements of the UK CSG HQ and additional UK military observers, HMS QE will embark the following as shown and described separately in each of the attached pics below.

INTIAL ITINERARY
The following itinerary is understood (although precise dates are not yet available publicly, partly due to security considerations.
1) Depart UK 18 Aug 18 as readiness permits, and load remaining elements (820 & 845NAS) off Cornwall
2) Proceed direct to USN Mayport, Florida for several days berthed.
3) Proceed 2nd week of Sept to Caribbean Waters for hot weather and warm sea water ship trial. (It is not yet known if the QE will approach or berth at any British or other islands during this week long period)
4) Proceed to USN Base Norfolk, Virginia for shore leave and pre-F35B FOCFT preparations and loading.
5) Carry out DT-1 FOCFT - First landings and take off trials of F35B from the QE class - planned to start during last week of September for 3 weeks. It is understood the first F35B landing on HMS QE will occur on 22 Sep 18 all relevant factors being aligned.
6) Visit New York
4) Carry out DT-2 F35B FOCFT for 3 weeks late Oct/early Nov
5) Return to USN Base Norfolk to reconfigure and reload equipment post UK/US exercise for return to the UK
6) Further possible Defence Diplomacy activities and visits - as yet unannounced - possible visit to Canada TBC.
7) Mid December at the latest - Return to Portsmouth.

Note that to ensure that DT-1 and DT-2 can be achieved and the right weather and sea states data points achieved, then the QE is expected to move around the western Atlantic as best possible to find the relevant conditions. This might alter the time taken for both trial periods too.View attachment 48377 View attachment 48378

This is the BOMB! Love the QE, Love the F-35 Bravo, can't wait to see the UK back in bidnezz!
 

Obi Wan Russell

Jedi Master
VIP Professional
I was hoping this would answer the most often asked questions; Now if you want to see her you can start planning expeditions to the above mentioned ports! I'm curious about the New York visit, specifically where she is likely to dock. Is there a suitable berth near to the Intrepid Museum? A side by side (or near as dammit) comparison of the two would be interesting to see. Also curious to see which US Units (or members of) take the opportunity to visit eg USMC assault helicopter sqns and/or assault troops try her on for size ahead of future LPH operations as well as the USMC F-35B sqns, even if they just have a wander around her on a port visit.

After all, the last time the Leathernecks deployed to an RN Carrier (HMS Illustrious back in 2007) they decided they by far preferred it to a USN 'Gator'!
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Obi Wan.. you should post this information at skyscrapercity...just sayin'!

I'm curious about the New York visit, specifically where she is likely to dock. Is there a suitable berth near to the Intrepid Museum? A side by side (or near as dammit) comparison of the two would be interesting to see.

I know when Fleet Week in NYC occurs an LHD or LHA can berth in NYC on the west side of Manhattan. The thing is R08 draft is 11m(36ft) and a Wasp class draft is 7.1M... We shall see where she docks...I'm going to see if I can find a photo of any super carrier docking in Manhattan...in this century!
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Look what I found.:D...Fleet Week NYC 1995....

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May 1995...11 ships and 10,000 sailors visit Manhattan’s West Side for Fleet Week. One of the visiting ships is the Kitty Hawk-class supercarrier, the America (at left). The annual Fleet Week celebration began in 1987 when the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum first invited U.S. Navy ships to visit New York.

Of more recent vintage;

USS John F Kennedy (CV 67) was the last super-carrier to visit NYC. That was during Fleet Week May 2005.


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bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Despite many issues the Super Hornets still have not missed a deployment.

The deployment departure of R08 will be streamed live on FB;

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This is a great occasion for Obi Wan and all Royal Navy watchers..including myself. Obi Wan has been awaiting this moment for years. I'm sure he remembers the pundits at sinodefenceforum claiming that the politicians would cancel the Queen Elizabeth construction and even claim that both ships would be immediately mothballed. Well it ain't happening! She sails tomorrow evening at 1800GMT. I for one wish those shipmates aboard the R08 fair winds and following seas. They shall have a magnificent and successful deployment!
 
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