Trade War with China

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Jeff Head

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Ultra said:
You guys are HOPELESS...

All you guys do are just personal attack...

You guys are just a bunch of ostrichs...

There is no conflict in my argument. Only your poor understanding of logic...

Trump is a narcissistic egomaniac. And he is willing to go at ANY LENGTH to win...

And Americans LOVE THAT. It is already demonstrated Americans willing to go blindly into any silly shooting war...

it isn't too far fetch that Trump will wage a war with China to either distract from his scandals at home, or his economic failing...

So now they are sailing destroyers over TAIWAN STRAIT... (The Straits, after 12nm are international waters)

They are also stationing US MARINES in Taiwan now too... (This is absolutely and simply not true)

But the sad thing is you see, TRUMP WANTS EVERYTHING...
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[Ultra, you are being warned for your abject generalization of SD members and thereby insulting them all by painting with such a broad brush.

Cool down the rhetoric. SD is not a place to argue political leanings or rhetoric and it will lead to warning, suspensions, and bannings. Leave your heavy anti-Trump, anti-America rhetoric at the door. it is not welcome here any more than anti-China, anti-Russian, ant-English, French, Pakistan, INdia...etc., you get the picture...would be welcome.

You are receiving a Warning for this behavoir, and if it continues you will be suspended for a week or two.

If it keeps up after that, you will get banned.

So please, find a way to keep your political leanings out of these conversations about defense matters, equipment, capabilities, etc.

PLEASE READ THE RULES, THEY ARE AVAILABLE AS A STICKY POST IN EACH FORUM.

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advill

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Reports in the newspapers of any country must be analysed carefully, & we should beware of fake news coming from various sources. However, we must discern carefully of what has been said & probably implemented e.g. massive tariffs on China because the US President feels that he is not getting the response he wants from the Chinese. We have to examine what is being said objectively, not only our own views, but those financial experts in the US, EU and China. It looks very bleak with Trump's recent pronouncements. We have to wait if he retracts (he usually have done) on his pronouncements. Are we heading for a really BIG Trade War that effects not only China & the US but also the World? All countries have to voice their opinions & side according what is best for their individual countries, their region and the World at large. World War 1 & 2 happenings besides dominations by greedy regimes & dictators are usually linked to Trade etc. that are usually used excuses to go to War. Mad leaders like Hitler & Tojo had been checked. If a WW 3 happens this time it would be disastrous, as Nukes will be used. Some mad leader/s would use their "fat" finger/s to press the "RED" nuclear button.
 
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antiterror13

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Anlsvrthng said:
I know the trade, and the selling/buying things is around that.

And generally, the economists has very bad track record regard of understanding the work of economy, or giving even advice about basic strategies.
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well ..... let others to judge whether you know or you don't ... ok? :(
 
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manqiangrexue

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Anlsvrthng said:
I know the trade, and the selling/buying things is around that.
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LOL Nah, I don't believe you. You have misread simple charts many times and said that the EU has the largest economy in the world. You don't know nearly as much as you think.
Anlsvrthng said:
And generally, the economists has very bad track record regard of understanding the work of economy, or giving even advice about basic strategies.
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Very much agreed; they can all be wrong and often are, but you're definitely not better than them and their being wrong doesn't mean you're right. At best, you can add your opinion to the bunch but you are absolutely not qualified to stand atop the group and judge others' "correct-ness."
 
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Anlsvrthng

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manqiangrexue said:
LOL Nah, I don't believe you. You have misread simple charts many times and said that the EU has the largest economy in the world. You don't know nearly as much as you think.
Very much agreed; they can all be wrong and often are, but you're definitely not better than them and their being wrong doesn't mean you're right. At best, you can add your opinion to the bunch but you are absolutely not qualified to stand atop the group and judge others' "correct-ness."
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The best way is to go back to the basic logic : )

If a model can't explain simple questions, like "where will my money goes" or "who will pay this" then more likely the model is nothing else just a trick into a game where the given audience will be the prey.

The persons in power interested in staying in power, everything else is just secondary.

He/she will select the economists and model based on this, to be able to stay in power.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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There is a simple question.

China population is bigger,than the USA + Europe + Japan + taiwan + korea together.

Why China needs trade relationship with any of those countries?
 
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Yodello

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Anlsvrthng said:
There is a simple question.

China population is bigger,than the USA + Europe + Japan + taiwan + korea together.

Why China needs trade relationship with any of those countries?
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That's not how trade works in this globally-connected economy. There are numerous China-made products that are bought by nations all over the world, the Chinese consumers alone wouldn't be able to fulfill the productive capacity of the Chinese producers. The export market is huge for China. At the same time China imports products from those nations as well, be it Hi-Tech equipments, agri products, Aerospace equipments, etc etc. Trading with nations is a far better option than closing off the economy. One can write pages on the benefits of trading and an open economy......!

A closed economy will only bring a nation down. Think of Zheng He and his expeditions, and the subsequent destruction of the Chinese fleet and closing up of China to the rest of the World. Some centuries later, when the Europeans came with their much advanced technology and war-fighting capability, China was trampled, because China did not have a clue as to the developments and advancements the Europeans had made because China was literally bottled up in a cocoon of self-centered world-view, and pandered to by smaller tributary states . China missed the boat during Zheng He's time. China had the opportunity to take the lead in global expeditions, trading, expanding her knowledge by exchange with various cultures, and gaining technology and warcraft etc. It was arrogance that made the Chinese think the world had nothing to offer them. That same arrogance should not even be contemplated. History is a lesson to be learned. China is doing a great job of trading with nations all over the world, and she should continue doing just that.
 
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Shanghai composite lost 20% stock value. China economy is a ponzi sch
Yodello said:
That's not how trade works in this globally-connected economy. There are numerous China-made products that are bought by nations all over the world, the Chinese consumers alone wouldn't be able to fulfill the productive capacity of the Chinese producers. The export market is huge for China. At the same time China imports products from those nations as well, be it Hi-Tech equipments, agri products, Aerospace equipments, etc etc. Trading with nations is a far better option than closing off the economy. One can write pages on the benefits of trading and an open economy......!

A closed economy will only bring a nation down. Think of Zheng He and his expeditions, and the subsequent destruction of the Chinese fleet and closing up of China to the rest of the World. Some centuries later, when the Europeans came with their much advanced technology and war-fighting capability, China was trampled, because China did not have a clue as to the developments and advancements the Europeans had made because China was literally bottled up in a cocoon of self-centered world-view, and pandered to by smaller tributary states . China missed the boat during Zheng He's time. China had the opportunity to take the lead in global expeditions, trading, expanding her knowledge by exchange with various cultures, and gaining technology and warcraft etc. It was arrogance that made the Chinese think the world had nothing to offer them. That same arrogance should not even be contemplated. History is a lesson to be learned. China is doing a great job of trading with nations all over the world, and she should continue doing just that.
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Not quite the same.
Today you got internet, you can get ideas of what others doing without even leave your home.
 
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Yodello

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tidalwave said:

Shanghai composite lost 20% stock value. China economy is a ponzi sch

Not quite the same.
Today you got internet, you can get ideas of what others doing without even leave your home.
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The Internet is no substitute for real people trading with each other, making profits and trading ideas.
If only all the Technocrats, scientist, pioneers, doctors and soldiers could make-do with the Internet alone, I'd probably be an Internet professor at Stanford right now. Your comment makes no sense or logic, and it is imprctical.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Anlsvrthng said:
The best way is to go back to the basic logic : )

If a model can't explain simple questions, like "where will my money goes" or "who will pay this" then more likely the model is nothing else just a trick into a game where the given audience will be the prey.
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You are right again :) but wrong again :( Logic is the answer to everything, but just as how I'd already pointed out that your knowledge is not superior to any of the economists that you deride, neither is your logic. Professional economists have passed logic-based examinations that would send your mind to Alice in Wonderland if you looked at them; these people, by no means, have worse logic than you. And once again, just like how your belief that the EU is the world's largest economy draws doubt on your knowledge, your failure to consistently interpret charts correctly draws great doubt on your logic-related ability.
Anlsvrthng said:
The persons in power interested in staying in power, everything else is just secondary.

He/she will select the economists and model based on this, to be able to stay in power.
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Even though top economic advisers are selected by the president, he does not control what different economists can post to the media, which is what we're talking about. We're not talking about how economists like Lightizer, Ross, Navarro, etc... rise to power; we're talking about how you think all these economists posting articles should be wrong, because they commonly are, and how you're right, because you think you have better qualifications, somehow LOL
 
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