Trade War with China

The others have already made pertinent points regarding the US Trade War with China. The Trump Administration has backed away in some areas. This Chinese Great Learning lesson is adapted specifically for Trump: "A person can only criticise others if he himself makes no mistakes. If he is not tolerant and just, he cannot ask others to be tolerant and forgiving".

Not directly related to Trade War per se, but as Mexico signals moving away from US, I see an opportunity arise.

I bought a Trump leather belt one time. It was made in China.

It was then I learned he is part of the elites profiting from outsourcing.

So ultimately he will pull back from trade war because his own clothing line is made in China.

So long as he gives an illusion of results, he will back out and protect elites interests and his own. He makes entertainment in foreign policy like he does with his TV shows... Drama. He is the Drama king, and very dishonest and untrustworthy.

The Taiwanese and Koreans leapfrogged Japanese in semiconductors. Japanese were world leaders in semiconductors and had a huge headstart.

The Taiwanese and esp. Koreand lured ex-Japanese engineers with huge payday wage increase. Then poured tens of billions in state-backdd subsidies and research and development investments.

So why can't Chinese emulate the Taiwanese and Korean strategies to at minimum achieve parity?

Of course Chinese can. China has the resources and the brains to do it.

Phead128 said:

The Taiwanese and Koreans leapfrogged Japanese in semiconductors. Japanese were world leaders in semiconductors and had a huge headstart.

The Taiwanese and esp. Koreand lured ex-Japanese engineers with huge payday wage increase. Then poured tens of billions in state-backdd subsidies and research and development investments.

So why can't Chinese emulate the Taiwanese and Korean strategies to at minimum achieve parity?

Of course Chinese can. China has the resources and the brains to do it.

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It won’t be so easy for China. Taiwan, SK and Japan are all US puppet regimes, that ultimately the US controls. So the US didn’t care who was leading, and took no action as they ultimately all took orders from Washington.

But with a rival like China, the US will do all it possibly can to prevent or at least delay Chinese efforts to break their stranglehold on this industry; up to and including using of offensive cyber weapons like Suxnet or whatever they are developing now.

plawolf said:

It won’t be so easy for China. Taiwan, SK and Japan are all US puppet regimes, that ultimately the US controls. So the US didn’t care who was leading, and took no action as they ultimately all took orders from Washington.

But with a rival like China, the US will do all it possibly can to prevent or at least delay Chinese efforts to break their stranglehold on this industry; up to and including using of offensive cyber weapons like Suxnet or whatever they are developing now.

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Yes they will do everything to slow or retard China progress even harassing Chinese American who work in China case in point Baidu Chief A1 scientist via CMP

Baidu has staked its future on AI, particularly with autonomous driving cars. But it can't seem to keep any of its AI scientists like Google can.

Andrew Ng left after only a few months. Now Lu Qi from Microsoft left. What's more, they all leave without publicly citing a reason, and it's very unusual that they leave without another job lined up. Andrew Ng is now doing random AI education stuff, which is a step down. Lu Qi is just leaving, but is not going to another company as would typically be the case for someone so high up to leave any tech company.

What the hell is going on??



"Most Americans, to speak frankly, do not wish to see a strong China," Baidu’s chief operating officer Lu Qi said during an interview with Chinese state TV station last year. "The two countries are rivalries to a certain extent."

He sounds woke AF, so it seems highly unlikely that he would stop contributing to Baidu's (and China's) rise for personal/professional reasons.

There was speculation that Andrew Ng was being harassed by the FBI for his ties to Baidu. I would guess that that's what's

It’s hard for Chinese Americans with assets and family in the US. But such mafia tactics tend to backfire in the long run, as how could you trust someone you got back through blackmail?

As China continues to grow, and the relative difference in wealth and living standards narrows, America will increasingly find that its oppressive and suspicious attitudes towards Chinese Americans only serves to push more and more of them back to China for good.

It will also have a chilling effect on Chinese students wishing to stay on in the US after their studies, which, when you consider how much Silicon Valley is built by Chinese brain power, will only serve to retard America’s own development.

manqiangrexue said:

God damn it, I really didn't want this to happen. I hope congress blocks it. I don't want ZTE to have any excuse to get lazy and reliant on the US again. If ZTE keeps their sights straight and uses this as a temporary plug while still plowing full speed to technological independence from the US, I guess it's fine but if they collapse like an opium addict given a new fix, I'm gonna puke.

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I agree that ZTE should be allowed to fail. Let it be a good lesson for Chinese business leaders and a case study for future Chinese business school student. ZTE core asset and many talented employees will be wiser and better off pursuing a new career than dying slow death by American extortion.

Dolcevita said:

I agree that ZTE should be allowed to fail. Let it be a good lesson for Chinese business leaders and a case study for future Chinese business school student. ZTE core asset and many talented employees will be wiser and better off pursuing a new career than dying slow death by American extortion.

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That's not what I said. ZTE should not be allowed to fail; should be forced to succeed by taking the longer, harder route of domestic development rather than the easier route of dependence on foreign supply. Profits as a non-issue, ZTE should never again be given the option to place itself on American technology; it should be forced to grind on, developing and perfecting domestic capabilities no matter how difficult it is and no matter how inferior the products may be at first. China has the resources to support this development; ZTE must have the will.

Quite frankly, the example is already set no matter what becomes of ZTE. In 1996, the US awoke China's military determination by sailing an aircraft carrier through the Taiwan Strait; China swore to lift itself from weakness and hence diligently pursued military development. Today, any foreign carrier trying to sail through the Straits uninvited is on some masochistic suicide mission. This is the technological equivalent of that moment; every Chinese company now sees the urgent need to breaking free from the shackles of American technological dependence. No amount of expense or challenge can daunt China's pursuit of it now.

manqiangrexue said:

That's not what I said. ZTE should not be allowed to fail; should be forced to succeed by taking the longer, harder route of domestic development rather than the easier route of dependence on foreign supply. Profits as a non-issue, ZTE should never again be given the option to place itself on American technology; it should be forced to grind on, developing and perfecting domestic capabilities no matter how difficult it is and no matter how inferior the products may be at first. China has the resources to support this development; ZTE must have the will.

Quite frankly, the example is already set no matter what becomes of ZTE. In 1996, the US awoke China's military determination by sailing an aircraft carrier through the Taiwan Strait; China swore to lift itself from weakness and hence diligently pursued military development. Today, any foreign carrier trying to sail through the Straits uninvited is on some masochistic suicide mission. This is the technological equivalent of that moment; every Chinese company now sees the urgent need to breaking free from the shackles of American technological dependence. No amount of expense or challenge can daunt China's pursuit of it now.

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You are essentially saying the same thing by saying that it has to survive by developing inferior products. No enterprise will survive long term by continuously producing inferior product. ZTE long term viability is also not served by being under the control of US compliance officers, US controlled management and be required to purchase US parts. The employees are better served by allowing a sanction free rival to take over their core asset, which are the talent and knowhow, and allow them to apply lessons learn from their mistaken reliance on US parts.

Read the article which states:
U.S. President Donald Trump appeared to confirm the deal in a tweet late on Friday. “I closed it down then let it reopen with high level security guarantees, change of management and board, must purchase U.S. parts and pay a $1.3 Billion fine.”

After ZTE makes a series of changes it would now be allowed to resume business with U.S. companies, including chipmaker Qualcomm Inc.
The deal, earlier communicated to officials on Capitol Hill by the Commerce Department, requires ZTE to pay a substantial fine, place U.S. compliance officers at the company and change its management team, the aide said.