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... so Should U.S. Block F-35 Deliveries To Turkey?
May 15, 2018
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In 2019, Turkey is scheduled to receive two major new pieces of military equipment: the U.S.-made
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stealthy fifth-generation fighter and the Russian-made S-400 surface-to-air missile system.

Deployment of both systems in the same country has already made U.S. and NATO officials so concerned about security that the Pentagon and the
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are trying to halt S-400 deliveries to Ankara. However, U.S. lawmakers are divided over exactly how they should respond.

One bipartisan group of senators is moving to block the transfer of
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F-35s to Turkey, even as Lockheed prepares to deliver the first Turkish aircraft to Luke AFB, Arizona. And a contingent of House lawmakers is considering a provision in a fiscal 2019 defense policy bill that would stop short of restricting F-35 deliveries but could impede shipments of other U.S. exports there.

The back-and-forth on Capitol Hill adds another layer of complexity to the controversial geopolitical situation that the Pentagon and State Department have been grappling with. But it remains to be seen whether the U.S. will ultimately take any concrete steps to prevent the sale.

The U.S. has $9.7 billion in active Foreign Military Sales (FMS) with Turkey, the last of which was a $70 million deal for laser-guided Joint Direct Attack Munitions (
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), which Congress was informed of in 2015. Between 2013 and 2017, the U.S. made another $1.7 billion in direct commercial sales there. Turkey is also an original production partner making key components for the F-35, “a testament to the strength of our defense trade partnership and continued potential for future growth,” a State Department official notes.

The U.S. has long tried to sell Turkey air and missile defense systems such as
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’s Patriot. But Ankara ultimately opted for the Almaz Central Design Bureau’s S-400 in a $2.5 billion deal. The systems were originally scheduled for delivery in 2020, but that date has since been accelerated.

“In pursuing a U.S. air and missile defense solution, Turkey would benefit from top-of-the-line technology, as well as NATO interoperability,” the official says. “In contrast, an S-400 acquisition could potentially trigger actions under the Countering Americas Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (Caatsa) and have serious ramifications for U.S.’ ability to do business with Turkey across the defense trade spectrum.”

But as the date for deliveries nears, lawmakers may take additional action.

Standalone legislation proposed by Sens. James Lankford (R-Okla.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) and Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) would prohibit the use of U.S. government funds to transfer F-35 aircraft, intellectual property or technical data related to maintenance support to Turkey, according to the text of the bill.

Because the sale is not by the U.S. government but by the international F-35 consortium, Congress does not have the legal authority to block it. Ankara is a development partner on the program and plans to purchase 100 F-35As in total, the first of which will soon be delivered to Luke AFB.

Given the limitations, lawmakers appear to have realized the best approach to preventing Ankara from receiving the Joint Strike Fighter is to eliminate funds for the planned transfer of the jets from Luke to Turkey in 2019.

Blocking the transfer of intellectual property and technical data would also mean Ankara could not perform maintenance on U.S. engines or service their own aircraft. Turkey has been chosen to be the hub of
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engine depot overhaul for all the European operators. Engine production and maintenance would take place at the First Air Supply and Maintenance Military Center in Eskisehir, which already services
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engines, among others.

Turkish industry stands to make $12 billion through F-35 work, Lockheed estimates.

Under the senators’ bill, President Donald Trump could waive the limitation, but the terms are stringent. Trump must certify to Congress that Turkey is not taking steps to degrade NATO interoperability; exposing NATO assets to hostile actors; degrading the general security of NATO member countries; seeking to import or purchase defense articles from a foreign country under U.S. sanctions; or unlawfully detaining U.S. citizens.

Officials are likely concerned that if Turkey operates both the S-400 and the F-35, the fighter’s security could be compromised. And NATO allies, including the U.S., see the S-400 as a security issue for NATO’s wider missile defense network.

Czech Army Gen. Petr Pavel, chairman of the NATO Military Committee, says the S-400 is not just a sophisticated target-acquisition radar. Even more important is that it is a database, he says, and Russian experts who come to install the system in Turkey could populate the database with NATO data. “There is a big challenge,” Pavel cautions.

The House provision stops far short of prohibiting the sale of F-35s, because such a restriction would hurt the U.S. and its allies more than it would affect Turkey, according to a House Republican aide.

Rather, the legislation seeks a report on the impact that “increasing strains” between the U.S. and Turkey, “caused by provocative actions taken by the Turkish government over the past year, will have on all U.S. military and diplomatic activities currently conducted in Turkey, including joint operation of the F-35 and other military platforms.” Other FMS sales, such as JDAM deliveries, could also be delayed.

Despite recent congressional moves, experts say it is unlikely the U.S. will take punitive action against Turkey over the S-400 purchase.

Kate Kizer, policy director of The Center for International Policy’s Win Without War program, says the U.S. government’s “paranoia” about losing market share to China and Russia is “a little bit overblown.

“The paradox of the U.S. being the largest arms exporter, I think, is that there is a paranoia, particularly in Congress, about losing the market share in some way. If we don’t sell these weapons to [Turkey] then China and Russia are going to move in and do it and then we will lose our ally,” she says. “The whole baby gets thrown out with the bathwater.”

Pieter Wezeman, senior researcher with the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, says Russia has not been successful in marketing its technology to the rest of the world. There is a big difference, he says, between the one or two S-400s Turkey will receive from Russia and the more-than-100 F-35 buy.

“They haven’t really shown that they are very good in transferring technology and helping other states to build up their arms industry,” says Wezeman. “I really doubt if we are going to see a very big change in the arms transfer relationship between the U.S. and Turkey.”
 
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Pentagon Could Kill F-35 JPO, But Not Until 2035

Apr 13, 2018
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related (if I understood the Pentagonese LOL!) is
Pawlikowski Says It’s Time For F-35 Variants to Evolve Along Service Lines
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In the interest of “speed and agility” in prosecuting their pieces of the National Defense Strategy, the services should now begin evolving their unique versions of the F-35, Air Force Materiel Command chief Gen. Ellen Pawlikowski said Tuesday.

Speaking with defense reporters in Washington, Pawlikowski agreed with Pentagon acquisition, technology, and logistics chief Ellen Lord that “it’s time to start this transition” from one where the Joint Program Office oversees all of the services’ variants of the Joint Strike Fighter to service-specific program offices more tuned to the unique needs of their mission.

“I think the F-35 program office, over the last several years, has done a brilliant job” on focusing the program, reducing production costs, and getting the aircraft fielded, Pawlikowski asserted. However, she feels that given the size of the enterprise and getting the F-35 to “interact” with the other platforms and systems of each service means the Joint Program Office has become “too cumbersome” of an organizational structure.

“That said, I think we need to do this in a measured way,” added Pawlikowski. She said the contractual relationship with F-35 prime Lockheed Martin should not be broken “prematurely, and we need time for each of the services to build up their organic capability.”

It’s not a new concept for the Air Force, as Pawlikowski noted the service has had an “integration office” for the F-35 since 2014. She said then-Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh agreed that “we would eventually need to go beyond an integration office … into what we call a Fleet Management Office. And we have been in the early stages of looking at what that will look like.” Such an office’s initial focus will be sustainment issues, she said, and defining future USAF-specific capabilities on the F-35A.

“We’ll work with [Vice Adm.] Mat Winter [head of the F-35 JPO] and the F-35 team to make sure we do this seamlessly, with the objective of strengthening the effectiveness of the management structure to be responsive to what the Air Force needs from the F-35,” she said.

Asked if she thinks the original justification for making the F-35 a “joint” fighter—commonality-driven savings—will rapidly evaporate, Pawlikowski acknowledged there will be “more uniqueness” among the variants, but that commonality savings are largely already baked into the program.

“I don’t believe we’re throwing all of that away,” she said. “The basic design structure is already set. I think there will always be a benefit of the commonality that we have. But, … as we evolve the weapon system to be more responsive to the different missions” of each service, there will be service-unique weapons and other capabilities.

Still, given highly similar engines and other elements, “there is a benefit in that economy of scale that we are all benefitting from now that I think we will all want to continue to leverage.”
 

dtulsa

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Apr 18, 2018
related (if I understood the Pentagonese LOL!) is
Pawlikowski Says It’s Time For F-35 Variants to Evolve Along Service Lines
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In short they are saying oops we goofed and should not have made a one size fits all master of none bird but here you go make the junk work if you can and surprisingly the services will do exactly that I said this years ago the same thing happened to the F4 and F111 both turned into excellent birds I. am not sure it willl,
but it's the right approach or at least it's the start of the right apprach
 
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dtulsa

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Having said that there very well could be a F35 D,E and F model emerge now just like all of the models before it in other words the services won't be bound to just one model you could see a dedicated ground attack bird for the Marines a dedicated strike aircraft model for the navy and a multirole aircraft for the air force with the emphasis on air suppierorty all Could share common parts where possible and software also
 

icbeodragon

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In short they are saying oops we goofed and should not have made a one size fits all master of none bird but here you go make the junk work if you can and surprisingly the services will do exactly that I said this years ago the same thing happened to the F4 and F111 both turned into excellent birds I. am not sure it willl,
but it's the right approach or at least it's the start of the right apprach


That's not what she's saying at all... its in the article.
article" said:
Pawlikowski acknowledged there will be “more uniqueness” among the variants, but that commonality savings are largely already baked into the program.

“I don’t believe we’re throwing all of that away,” she said. “The basic design structure is already set. I think there will always be a benefit of the commonality that we have. But, … as we evolve the weapon system to be more responsive to the different missions” of each service, there will be service-unique weapons and other capabilities.

Still, given highly similar engines and other elements, “there is a benefit in that economy of scale that we are all benefitting from now that I think we will all want to continue to leverage."

This doesn't speak to a change in the structure of the aircraft.
 
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