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Tam

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Well, i did some more digging around and found that actually CV17 has been designed to accommodate an extra 8 aircraft over CV16.
The overall displacement of CV17 is supposed to be 4,000 tonnes greater than that of CV16.
Other improvements apparently to of been made to the vessel, include a possible 2 degree change to the angle of the ski jump, a new more powerful radar, Type 346 S-band AESA radar system, a smaller control tower, and a more comfortable layout for the crew.


The main radar on the Liaoning is the Type 346 from the Type 052C. There is some speculation, and a reasonable one, that the C-band array is removed to increase the number of elements for the S-band array, which can improve range, the C-band mainly there in the radar for HHQ-9 targeting, which the ship doesn't use and has become redundant. As an AESA, Type 346 itself is a big jump from the PESA panel used on the original Kuznetsov class carrier. If one thinks about it, the Liaoning is the perhaps the first carrier in the world to have an AESA. The first US carrier to have an AESA is the first member of the Ford class. Outside of that, the Queen Elizabeth class has the Type 997 Artisan radar.

The main radar on the second carrier is either the Type 346A from the 052D or the Type 346B from the 055. Again, its possible that the C-band may have been removed for more S-band elements for greater range.

Both ships are supplemented by the Type 382 Sea Eagle from the Type 054A frigate. While the Type 346 is meant for ranged search, the height the Type 382 is placed is meant to peer down and extend the radar horizon, which is useful to catch sea skimmers early. It also adds S-band search radar redundancy. As both Type 346 and Type 382 are mainly S-band radars, its possible that during use, one set is searching at the longer spectrum of the S-band while the other is searching at the shorter spectrum. The original Kuznetsov class carrier uses the similar FREGAT MR710 radar on this same position.
 

Deino

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Well, i did some more digging around and found that actually CV17 has been designed to accommodate an extra 8 aircraft over CV16.
The overall displacement of CV17 is supposed to be 4,000 tonnes greater than that of CV16.
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You seem to be quite confident.
Care to explain your some more digging, since rumours on this are around since some time but so far I have seen no hard fact that would prove these changes.

All we have are reports that are copied and reposted by various sources ...

Best,
Deino
 

Hendrik_2000

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NOthing change sofar via LKJ86

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bd popeye

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As of 5 pm looking good I guess they need the green light from HQ to proceed after those test
Via LKJ86. What is the gangway blue tarp for ? Sun or rain protection for VIP?
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Now when the "Brass" comes aboard we don't want the sun beaming down on them. Gotta keep those gents comfortable.;)

Does anyone have any idea when the ship will start her sea trials? Any good guesses? Thanks!
 

steve_rolfe

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You seem to be quite confident.
Care to explain your some more digging, since rumours on this are around since some time but so far I have seen no hard fact that would prove these changes.

All we have are reports that are copied and reposted by various sources ...

Best,
Deino

Well, i did ask members here if they knew what the differences between CV16 & CV17 could be, but no response........so what i posted was a compilation of everything i could find on the internet from English to Chinese sources on the subject. Obviously as no one outside the designers and builders of CV17 know the real differences at this point. What has been written up on the internet, really boils down to what the defense experts expect the improvements to be.......though in general most do say that CV17 will be able to accommodate more aircraft. The other changes really are what i suppose most would expect i.e that the Chinese have redesigned various parts of the interior of the vessel to make the vessel, lets say more akin to how a Chinese crew would expect to be in regards crew comfort etc.
Anyway, unless the Chinese post an actual official report on the changes, we will all have to wait until we see the photo's of the vessel when its in service! :)
 
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