China's SCS Strategy Thread

Hendrik_2000

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US Arms race will not re-enable US dominance of South China Sea against bases on man made islands
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| April 20, 2018
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Admiral Philip Davidson told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the US military urgently needs hypersonic and other advanced weaponry to defeat China’s People’s Liberation Army in a future conflict.

China also is weaponizing space with missiles, jammers, and lasers capable of killing satellites, key American military power projection tools.

The four-star admiral said if confirmed to lead the Pacific Command, he will carry out a buildup of Navy, Army, and Air Force forces in the region to confront the growing threat posed by China, in addition to continuing dangers from North Korea.

China has conducted seven tests of a hypersonic glide vehicle fired atop a ballistic missile that travels and maneuvers at speeds of 7,000 miles per hour or greater. The high speeds and maneuverability make the missiles very difficult to target and counter with missile defenses.

Russia also is developing hypersonic missiles.

Nextbigfuture notes that any US arms race in hypersonic weapons, railguns and lasers is not assured of creating a technological advantage over China. China currently has the financial and technological resources to match US advances in this area.

China has the dredging and construction capability to expand from about seven fortified islands to about 200 fortified islands.

Geographically the South China Sea can be targeted by Chinese missiles and railguns on the mainland and across the fortified islands.

It is relatively low-cost for China to build up the islands and to put relatively inexpensive missiles around them.

The US would have to come up with some other means to change the equation. Fighting right beside China provides too many geographic and other advantages that are beneficial to China.
 
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Chinese navy uses professional means to deal with Australian vessels encounter 2018-04-20 16:24 GMT+8
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China refutes false reports on navy encounter in South China Sea
Xinhua| 2018-04-20 19:38:21
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China's Ministry of National Defense Friday refuted false reports by Australian media that Chinese navy "challenged" Australian navy in the South China Sea earlier this month.

"Relevant reports by Australian media did not tally with the facts," said the ministry in a statement.

"Chinese navy warships encountered with Australian warships in the South China Sea on April 15. Chinese warships used professional language to communicate with the Australian side, and the operation by the Chinese warships was in accordance with laws and regulations, professional and safe," the statement said.
 

timepass

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China Jammed US Navy Jet’s Equipment as It Patrolled South China Sea . . .

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When the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier cruised through the South China Sea last week, one US Navy pilot encountered Chinese jamming technology interfering with his plane’s equipment, according to a report.

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timepass

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Australia won't abandon S. China Sea patrols after encounter..

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"Australia's prime minister said his country has a "perfect right" to traverse the South China Sea after a media report Friday that the Chinese navy challenged three Australian warships in the hotly contested waterway.

The Chinese "challenged" two Australian frigates and an oil replenishment ship this month as the Australian vessels were sailing to Vietnam, Australian Broadcasting Corp. reported, citing anonymous defense officials.

It is not clear what took place during the encounter while China was conducting its largest ever naval exercises in the region."

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... Incoming US Pacific Command chief wants to increase presence near China
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The nominee to be the next chief of the U.S. forces in the Pacific has called for an increase in U.S. forces from all three services
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, adding that China is now effectively able to control the South China Sea and challenge the U.S. presence in the region.

In his testimony at last week’s Senate Armed Services Committee confirmation hearing, Adm. Philip Davidson also said he will work to recalibrate U.S. force posture in the Indo-Pacific region to align with the recently released 2018 National Defense Strategy, an effort he said “entails ensuring the continued combat readiness of assigned forces in the western Pacific (and) developing an updated footprint that accounts for China’s rapid modernization.”

Davidson, who has been nominated to take over U.S. Pacific Command, or PACOM, also said the strategic and operational environment outlined in the NDS clearly identifies the importance of developing and fielding a force posture that is capable of “countering Chinese malign influence in the region,” while describing actions in the South China Sea such as the One Belt One Road Initiative as China executing its own deliberate and thoughtful force posture initiatives.

Due to the distances involved in the Indo-Pacific, Davidson stressed that the U.S. cannot solely rely on surge forces from the continental United States to deter Chinese aggression or prevent a fait accompli. He also said PACOM must maintain a robust, blunt layer that effectively deters Chinese aggression in the Indo-Pacific.

However, he added there is insufficient forward-deployed and rotational forces from all three services in PACOM’s area of responsibility, or AOR, and the current force structure and presence does “not sufficiently counter the threats in the Indo-Pacific.”

He specifically noted that PACOM only has a quarter of its required intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capability in its AOR, although he declined to go into further details of the ISR shortfall, instead saying “the shortfalls are identified and have been highlighted in PACOM’s regular contacts with the Joint Staff.”

Additional requirements for the AOR include command-and-control capabilities, as well as the “integration of long-range, high-speed, lethal, survivable and precision munitions capabilities in ships, submarines, patrol craft, land-based formations, bombers and fighters.” These, combined with robust numbers of fifth-generation platforms and the necessary tankers and transports, will provide U.S. forces an advantage in a denied environment in the near term, the officer explained.

However, he added there is insufficient forward-deployed and rotational forces from all three services in PACOM’s area of responsibility, or AOR, and the current force structure and presence does “not sufficiently counter the threats in the Indo-Pacific.”

He specifically noted that PACOM only has a quarter of its required intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capability in its AOR, although he declined to go into further details of the ISR shortfall, instead saying “the shortfalls are identified and have been highlighted in PACOM’s regular contacts with the Joint Staff.”

Additional requirements for the AOR include command-and-control capabilities, as well as the “integration of long-range, high-speed, lethal, survivable and precision munitions capabilities in ships, submarines, patrol craft, land-based formations, bombers and fighters.” These, combined with robust numbers of fifth-generation platforms and the necessary tankers and transports, will provide U.S. forces an advantage in a denied environment in the near term, the officer explained.
 

hkbc

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... Incoming US Pacific Command chief wants to increase presence near China
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hmm, that's one way of expanding your portfolio and resources before starting a new job, just chuck out some nice CHina is the boogey man sound bites. However, in earlier testimony the guy said
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“In short,” he wrote, “China is now capable of controlling the South China Sea in all scenarios short of war with the United States.”

“Once occupied, China will be able to extend its influence thousands of miles to the south and project power deep into Oceania,” Davidson said of forward operating bases that have already been completed. “The PLA will be able to use these bases to challenge US presence in the region, and any forces deployed to the islands would easily overwhelm the military forces of any other South China Sea-claimants.”

So he says he wants an increase in presence "near" China, but short of war, the South China Sea is now a Chinese lake. You have to wonder what he means by "near" presence and what "short of war" means because his comments don't seem to be coherent, unless he's planning to have a war, because it any other scenario China still controls the South China Sea (his words not mine!)
 

Hendrik_2000

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What Beijing is Building in the South China Sea

Since China began its extensive land reclamation program in the South China Sea in 2013, Beijing has focused on improving its presence and infrastructure at seven locations in the Spratly Island chain: Cuarteron Reef, Fiery Cross, Gaven, Hughes, Johnson, Mischief and Subi reefs. Of the seven locations, the Fiery Cross, Mischief and Subi reefs received particular attention in the form of large-scale airfields built there. Over time, China has also added harbors, barracks, radar and other sensors. This is in addition to communications equipment, storage bunkers and general infrastructure installed across all seven islands. Stratfor partners at AllSource Analysis have provided imagery that confirms mobile electronic warfare (EW) equipment was recently deployed to Mischief Reef.

Beijing deployed EW equipment to prepared positions in Mischief Reef, consisting of 13 concrete pads located between an airfield to the north and what is probably a motor pool area in the southeast. The imagery shows that two camouflaged vehicles, most likely mobile EW systems, were moved to the deployment site as recently as March 13. The imagery indicates that China likely engaged in periodic training at the airfield for mobile electronic warfare operations during February and March of 2018.

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The recent addition of mobile equipment for electronic warfare to Mischief Reef adds to the already-extensive electronic network on the reef. To the southeast, China has constructed what is probably a high-frequency, direction-finding antenna array installation which could be used to collect electronic or signals intelligence from transmissions by aircraft or ships in the region, as well as to detect stealth aircraft. North of the island, China has also built what is probably an inter-island communication tower with an associated antenna array similar to the ones found at Cuarteron, Hughes, Johnson South and Gaven reefs. On top of that, China constructed a Doppler very high-frequency omnidirectional range (DVOR) radio system adjacent to the airfield on Mischief Reef. DVOR systems provide short-range navigation information for aircraft without using satellite navigation data.


These developments are yet another example of China reinforcing its territorial claims in the region.

The deployment of EW equipment is particularly notable because the gear could be used to harass and jam the electronic equipment of various actors in the South China Sea, including the United States. In fact, the equipment deployed to Mischief Reef could have already been used for this purpose. A recent statement from a U.S. Navy pilot, for example, alluded to an incident in recent weeks when his aircraft was likely jammed by Chinese electronic equipment. As Beijing continues to build up its capabilities across the South China Sea, tools like electronic warfare equipment will make the country better positioned to continue asserting its territorial claims in the region.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Now this is a news. Anyone has a link or data on missile YJ 12 B I never know this missile I thought this is air launched anti ship missile a complement of YJ 18. I guess this jourmalist get it wrong with the range. I guess the more they do FON the more the chinese will load up the islet with missile.
Now when the French, Brits and Japanese join the FON , It is time to station the J11B, KJ500, KQ200

China installs cruise missiles on South China Sea outposts: CNBC report
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FILE PHOTO: An aerial view of China occupied Subi Reef at Spratly Islands in disputed South China Sea April 21, 2017. REUTERS/Francis Malasig/Pool
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - China has installed anti-ship cruise missiles and surface-to-air missile systems on three of its outposts in the South China Sea, U.S. news network CNBC reported on Wednesday, citing sources with direct knowledge of U.S. intelligence reports.

The move, if confirmed, would mark the first Chinese missile deployments in the Spratly Islands, where several Asian countries including Vietnam and Taiwan have rival claims.

Chinese officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

CNBC quoted unnamed sources as saying that according to U.S. intelligence assessments, the missiles were moved to Fiery Cross Reef, Subi Reef and Mischief Reef within the past 30 days.

The U.S. Defense Department, which opposes China's installation of military facilities on outposts it has built up in the South China Sea, declined comment. "We don’t comment on matters of intelligence," a spokesman said.

China has made no mention of any missile deployments but says its military facilities in the Spratlys are purely defensive.

Greg Poling, a South China Sea expert at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, said deploying missiles on the outposts would be important.

"These would be the first missiles in the Spratlys, either surface to air, or anti-ship," he said. He added that such deployments were expected as China built missile shelters on the reefs last year and already deployed such missile systems on Woody Island further to the north.

Poling said it would be a major step on China's road to dominating the South China Sea, a key global trade route.

"Before this, if you were one of the other claimants ... you knew that China was monitoring your every move. Now you will know that you're operating inside Chinese missile range. That's a pretty strong, if implicit, threat."

CNBC said the YJ-12B anti-ship cruise missiles allowed China to strike vessels within 295 nautical miles. It said the HQ-9B long-range surface-to-air missiles could target aircraft, drones and cruise missiles within 160 nautical miles.

Last month, U.S. Admiral Philip Davidson, nominated to head U.S. Pacific Command, said China's "forward operating bases" in the South China Sea appeared complete.

"The only thing lacking are the deployed forces," he said. Once these were added, "China will be able to extend its influence thousands of miles to the south and project power deep into Oceania."

Davidson said China could use the bases to challenge the U.S. regional presence, and "would easily overwhelm the military forces of any other South China Sea-claimants.

"China is now capable of controlling the South China Sea in all scenarios short of war with the United States," he said.

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Length 6.3 m (21 ft)
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Diameter 0.756 m (2.48 ft)
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Warhead 205–500 kg (452–1,102 lb)
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flyzies

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I'm still waiting for photos for confirmation. Taking this with a pinch of salt until then, for simple reason that Western MSM has tendency to exaggerate anything China related.
 

plawolf

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Sheesh, China placing a few missiles launchers on islands is a big deal, but the western navies sailing warships stuffed full of missiles is nothing?

The so called FON exercises is pure military intimidation, because when the shoe is on the other foot and Russian bombers are flying in international airspace near the UK, for example, the British most certainly don’t scramble fighters just to go and say hello.

If you are trying to intimidate someone with shows of military might, can you blame the other guy for beefing up their own defences in response? Well obvious the shameless western media can, but what else is new?
 
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