KJ-600 carrierborne AEWC thread

asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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Personally think this will be for CV-18 and CV-19 flat deck carriers

Having fixed wing AWACS means load, range and speed

Open ocean far from home your defensive perimeter needs to extend hundreds of kms

CV-16 and CV-17 are just setting the stage

J15S, J15B and J15T are all most likely for flat deck carriers

KJ-600 is also for the same units

Just shows how robust the Chinese carrier programme is
 
danielchin

danielchin

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Hendrik_2000 said:
cryptic posting from Oedo
KJ600 19m 23m 6m 6xxkm/h WJ6G(WJ10) 28t 6h
Let me guess Length 23 m, wingspan19m height 6m, Speed around 600km/hr, Engine WJ6G or WJ10, Weight 28Ton, Endurance 6hr
Any comment?
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More like wingspan 23 m, length 19 m. (E-2 25 m / 18 m)
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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The E-2D is an order of magnitude better than the E-2C, which is already by far the most advanced and capable AEW aircraft available to any fleet.

The E-2Ds new AN/APY-9 radar allows for both electronic and mechanically scanned functionality in a more powerful hybrid system that give the operators three functionalities for the systems.

The E-2D radar uses a longer wavelength between 10 and 100 cm generated by frequencies higher than 300MHz to identify aircraft using stealth measures that would normally render them undetectable. The US has been working on and developed, improved, and now has deployed true anti-stealth capabilities to the E-2D, and has the best stealth aircraft to test them against and improve them until they have it tight...which they have done.

The US will build 75 of these aircraft to ensure that they have the test, maintenance, backup, and then the active wings of four aircraft for each of the US Navies ten large aircraft carriers.

Now, the picture shown above is NOT what the Chinese are developing. I am talking about the one that says the US should fear the new Chinese AEW aircraft. That is simply a PS'd E-2C aircraft.

The new aircraft the Chinese are developing are going to definitely be far better than the existing helicopter AEW capabilities they have...but they have a lot to learn and catch up to get their equipment and capabilities up to what the US has been working fifty+ year on developing.

Time will tell how ell they do on their first iteration...but it is something that myself and everyone else who knows very much about US operations has been expecting since it became clear that the PLAN was going to build several carriers beyond the STOBAR carriers they now have two of. I expect they will ultimately develop a force of six carriers altogether, and that over time, they will ultimately make all six of them CATOBAR carriers capable of fixed-wing AEW operation.
 
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Iron Man

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Jeff Head said:
The new aircraft the Chinese are developing are going to definitely be far better than the existing helicopter AEW capabilities they have...but they have a lot to learn and catch up to get their equipment and capabilities up to what the US has been working fifty+ year on developing.
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We should keep in mind that while the KJ-600 is China's 1st generation carrier-launched AEW/C, it is certainly not China's first AEW/C. China has had almost 2 decades of experience designing and operating AEW/C aircraft, starting with the KJ-2000 (in 2000) after the Israeli Phalcon was canceled due to pressure from the US. There is also supposedly a newer generation KJ-3000 now as well. China also has the KJ-200 and KJ-500 AEW/C aircraft. The KJ-600 will almost certainly incorporate GaN technology, thereby leapfrogging over the E-2C, at least in hardware capability. Will the KJ-600 be as good as the E-2D? I would bet probably not. But I'm also willing to bet it's good enough to track F-22s and F-35s and vector a squadron of J-20s at them.
 
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Iron Man

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SinoSoldier said:
Just a minor correction. :) Actually, a more accurate answer would be "we don't know".
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I wasn't intending to get in on your navalized J-20/J-31 debate, and I have no opinion on which one is more likely to be selected for carrier duty. I was actually thinking of the KJ-600 vectoring PLAAF J-20s towards the US stealth fighters as part of a major conflict not limited to naval warfare, as I mentioned F-22s as well, which are USAF-only fighters.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Iron Man said:
We should keep in mind that while the KJ-600 is China's 1st generation carrier-launched AEW/C, it is certainly not China's first AEW/C. China has had almost 2 decades of experience designing and operating AEW/C aircraft, starting with the KJ-2000 (in 2000) after the Israeli Phalcon was canceled due to pressure from the US. There is also supposedly a newer generation KJ-3000 now as well. China also has the KJ-200 and KJ-500 AEW/C aircraft. The KJ-600 will almost certainly incorporate GaN technology, thereby leapfrogging over the E-2C, at least in hardware capability. Will the KJ-600 be as good as the E-2D? I would bet probably not. But I'm also willing to bet it's good enough to track F-22s and F-35s and vector a squadron of J-20s at them.
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I have no doubt it will be a very big upgrade for the Chinese...no doubt about that. However, as to the last phrase/statement...I highly doubt it and would be it against it in a big way.
 
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AeroEngineer

Junior Member
Jeff Head said:
The E-2D is an order of magnitude better than the E-2C, which is already by far the most advanced and capable AEW aircraft available to any fleet.

The E-2Ds new AN/APY-9 radar allows for both electronic and mechanically scanned functionality in a more powerful hybrid system that give the operators three functionalities for the systems.

The E-2D radar uses a longer wavelength between 10 and 100 cm generated by frequencies higher than 300MHz to identify aircraft using stealth measures that would normally render them undetectable. The US has been working on and developed, improved, and now has deployed true anti-stealth capabilities to the E-2D, and has the best stealth aircraft to test them against and improve them until they have it tight...which they have done.

The US will build 75 of these aircraft to ensure that they have the test, maintenance, backup, and then the active wings of four aircraft for each of the US Navies ten large aircraft carriers.

Now, the picture shown above is NOT what the Chinese are developing. I am talking about the one that says the US should fear the new Chinese AEW aircraft. That is simply a PS'd E-2C aircraft.

The new aircraft the Chinese are developing are going to definitely be far better than the existing helicopter AEW capabilities they have...but they have a lot to learn and catch up to get their equipment and capabilities up to what the US has been working fifty+ year on developing.

Time will tell how ell they do on their first iteration...but it is something that myself and everyone else who knows very much about US operations has been expecting since it became clear that the PLAN was going to build several carriers beyond the STOBAR carriers they now have two of. I expect they will ultimately develop a force of six carriers altogether, and that over time, they will ultimately make all six of them CATOBAR carriers capable of fixed-wing AEW operation.
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Jeff, China will build more than 10 carriers.

4 Conventional CATs.
2 Skip Jumps.
4 Nuclear CATs.
 
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jobjed

Captain
Jeff Head said:
I have no doubt it will be a very big upgrade for the Chinese...no doubt about that. However, as to the last phrase/statement...I highly doubt it and would be it against it in a big way.
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Unless the laws of physics work differently in China, the PLAN's AEW&C can track low-RCS as capably as the USN so long as they use similarly low-frequency radars. However, since most AEW&C radars globally are of the L or S band, there's no telling whether the PLAN will go for the conventional bands or the anti-stealth UHF band.
 
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