Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

b787

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T-50 emergency landing
Oct. 18 2017, 10:28 Views: 1002
Zhukovsky firefighters drove to emergency landing of the T-50 aircraft at the airfield of the LII named after M.M. Gromov, the deputy chief of special department №7 Sergey Burmistrov informed our correspondent.

- On October 11 at 4 am the T-50 fighter made an emergency landing on the runway of the LII, interrupting the experimental flight. Despite the equipment failure, the pilot of the plane successfully landed, there are no victims and no destruction. The cause of the incident is being investigated.


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Air Force Brat

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b787 said:
You are not quoting any industrial sources but websites.


I will ask you 2 questions
First why you are going to cannibalize one static prototype which by the way it did not fly, and is used for structural tests?

And why they need to cannibalize a static airframe if they can still make the same parts? and by the way if they are going to build new parts these need to be modified, updated upgraded.
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Because Flight test articles are precious, and at that time 051 and possibly 052 were also grounded due to structural cracking,, if you are NOT flying, you are NOT collecting/collating/analyzing data!

So 6-1 was pulled off the production line, and built up as 055R, using the salvaged wings, horizontals, and verticals from 055, and everything else they could "salvage"... 055R were an auto in Central Obamastan, it would have a "salvage" title..

and it was used because the -2 PAK-FA were the next aircraft built under a new engineering modifications necessary to "beef up" the areas where cracking was occurring in the -1s,,, so 6-1 was the last -1 fuselage available, and was therefor rebuilt as 055R to get the test fling back on schedule, as that fire put them at least 18 month behind,, so critical was the need for "flight test articles" that the -1s were pulled back into the shop and rebuilt themselves..

Static test articles are very important, but they are usually tested 24/7, and do not require an operator as they are placed in a "test frame" and given a real going over, sometimes to even to failure!
 
b787

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Air Force Brat said:
Static test articles are very important, but they are usually tested 24/7, and do not require an operator as they are placed in a "test frame" and given a real going over, sometimes to even to failure!
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Let us do that quote some one from Sukhoi and give the link, once you do that i will believe you.

You can use TV


see Alexei is in Komsomolsk-on-Amur production site (KnAAZ) and touches PAKFA if you find where he says what you say let me know
 
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b787 said:
The engine is very likely article 30

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You are so funny !

on the one side You demand only to quote official sources You probably will never get as the only proof while in return You present claims as facts regardless how unlikely they are. If an A.320 - and we know that - stand's at Seattle, is that a hint or even proof that Boeing builds the A.320??

So please care to explain why You think so esp. if Salyut does not produce the Izd. 30, which is made at Saturn?

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You are not quoting any industrial sources but websites.
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Yes, but even if Russian sources say so it, it makes that version at least more likely ... and IMO much more likely than still ignoring certain issues and waiting for an industrial report You probably never will get due to other (internal, political, industrial, PR, ... ) concerns.

I will ask you 2 questions
First why you are going to cannibalize one static prototype which by the way it did not fly, and is used for structural tests?

And why they need to cannibalize a static airframe if they can still make the same parts? and by the way if they are going to build new parts these need to be modified, updated upgraded.
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Simply since it is the cheapest and easiest way to get that precious airframe back into the air again for further testing esp. if other prototypes were also modified due to several issues? Also building new parts takes additional time and that all in parallel to a cash-strapped and delayed project....
 
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b787

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Deino said:
on the one side You demand only to quote official sources You probably will never get as the only proof while in return You present claims as facts regardless how unlikely they are. If an A.320 - and we know that - stand's at Seattle, is that a hint or even proof that Boeing builds the A.320??
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The engine could be another one, I am open to that possibility, the Rostec Article does not say anything, what engine it is, well it does not say.


About the T-50-05 issue you have with me, let us say who said what.

I said Sukhoi said the T-50-5 was going to be repaired, the Sukhoi website press release said that.

You said that it was a written off aircraft, that it was not going to fly again.

Later you took the idea floating on the Russian internet, (i am member of several forums among them Paralay`s Stealth Forum and Airforce.ru forum) so i saw they called T-50R.
Was it official? no it was a gossip a forum gossip, it has never been confirmed by such as TV Star from Russia that regularly has TV programs airing programs with interviews at the Sukhoi workshops with pilots and engineers or Sukhoi it self


So that story well is not new to me.

Cannibalizing the airframe when they have the tools to make new parts? when the testbed for structural test already has some flights hours due to the treatment it has, by the way it does not matter it is the new parts once they are tested and they are rigorously tested they also weaken, of course they have limits and standards but a new piece is much better.


So in my opinion you have no official confirmation and is hardly convincing they could not build new parts, second unless you can tell me what parts were replaced, and why they could not build them on time, it does not make sense to me your support to that original idead floating in Russian aviation forums.
 
Air Force Brat

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Honestly; I give up ....
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Yep, he's NEVER wrong,, he can not admit he doesn't have a clue?? after all, he was married to a Russian woman, so he must know everything about Russia.

anyway, thanks for trying,,,, its apparent after looking at photo's with the gear doors open that SU-57 does not have any side bays, there's simply no room...

that thin fuselage has likely caused them other issues as well, but even the main bays will end up being rather shallow, one reason they had to move the engines well outboard,,, which could cause a problem if you "lose" an engine with those tiny verts?
 
b787

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It became known when the first flight of Su-57 with new engines will take place
Cyril Yablochkin 13:44 27.09.2017
The first flight of the fifth-generation fighter with the engines of the second stage will take place in the autumn of this year.
The Su-57 with the engines of the second stage will make the first flight in the autumn of this year, the newspaper "Military Industrial Courier" reports with reference to the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov.

According to Borisov, the new engines will provide the car cruising supersonic speed.

The program for creating the Su-57 implies the use of the AL-41F1 engine in the first stage of testing, and the new engine, known as "product 30" - on the second stage.

Earlier it was reported that tests of a fighter with new engines will begin at the end of this year.

Earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plans to begin the first serial deliveries of the Su-57 in the Russian Federation's VCS in the next year

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b787

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Air Force Brat said:
Yep, he's NEVER wrong,, he can not admit he doesn't have a clue?? after all, he was married to a Russian woman, so he must know everything about Russia.

anyway, thanks for trying,,,, its apparent after looking at photo's with the gear doors open that SU-57 does not have any side bays, there's simply no room...

that thin fuselage has likely caused them other issues as well, but even the main bays will end up being rather shallow, one reason they had to move the engines well outboard,,, which could cause a problem if you "lose" an engine with those tiny verts?
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I recommend you read about Hudson Taylor and what he said about Russia, remember blessing an aircraft only is good for the sake of the pilot, i disagree with war, i like both but i hate war.


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Any way soon if the reports are right Izd 30 will fly on Su-57

The terms of the first flight of the Su-57 with new engines became known
In the fall of this year, the first flight of the fifth-generation fighter Su-57 with new engines designed specifically for this car will be held. This was reported by Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.

Photo: Sergey Bobylev / TASS
Secrets of the Su-57 collected on video
According to him, the perspective aviation complex of frontline aviation is ready for serial production today.

- The aircraft confirmed a number of flight-tactical characteristics, which we show to it. The new engines will provide him supersonic cruising speed, - said Yuri Borisov in an interview with the newspaper "Military Industrial Courier". - At the same time, the adoption of one or another model for armament requires state tests, the first stage of which is coming to an end. Of course, there is still work to be done at the second stage, it will show the real readiness for release.

Recall, now the Su-57 flies on the intermediate engine AL-41F1, a modernized version of power plants for the family Su-27. The new engine, known as "product 30", will increase the thrust to 17.5 - 19.5 tons and improve fuel efficiency. It is with him that the aircraft will be put into serial production.

The first deliveries of a state-of-the-art combat vehicle to the troops should begin in 2018.

By the way

The mass of composite materials in the glider fighter of the fifth generation is a quarter of the weight of the empty aircraft. At the same time, the details in the Su-57 are four times less than in the Su-27 glider.

Also, the new Russian aircraft are distinguished by low visibility in all ranges, super maneuverability, ability to develop supersonic speed without forcing and relatively short take-off and landing.

According to some sources, the fighter can shoot air targets at a distance of up to 200 kilometers, which none of its competitors can yet.



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Yep, he's NEVER wrong,, he can not admit he doesn't have a clue?? after all, he was married to a Russian woman, so he must know everything about Russia.

anyway, thanks for trying,,,, its apparent after looking at photo's with the gear doors open that SU-57 does not have any side bays, there's simply no room...

that thin fuselage has likely caused them other issues as well, but even the main bays will end up being rather shallow, one reason they had to move the engines well outboard,,, which could cause a problem if you "lose" an engine with those tiny verts?
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Glad someone else is as skeptical of side bays in Su-57. Drop away sheaths are possible but even then, it's not simply an issue of does the volume in that space exceed the volume of a sraam. Missile require much more room for pylons, launching and control mechanisms, not to even mention hinges if they are doors or even mechanisms if they are drop away sheaths. Unless they've made super tiny sraams, su-57 does not have side bays. It also is unlikely to be able to carry 6 mraam as they claim. I have similar doubts about J-20's main bay carrying 6 mraams.

Many fanboys are still delusional about this to this day despite not having seen one official source confirming these claims or any actual photographs showing the ability. Unless China and Russia miniaturise they're mraams, their respective 5th gen fighters will carry fewer missiles than the raptor. This hugely disappointing for those of us who are cheering on China and Russia in their attempt at matching US military capability. China's J-20 is far closer to an F-22 competitor than Su-57 it seems on the surface. Having said that, I wonder what those protrusions are for. My bet is spacing for existing electronic warfare equipment, radar, or future modifications for those items or others.

Since he doesn't require official proof for these claims, then the rest should be treated similarly.
 
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