There is no confirmation of this news from any other news source. Hopefully Russia will supply RD-33 to Pakistan. The Boeing 777-200LR agreement was signed after 9/11.
JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 News, Discussion & Media
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AssassinsMace
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This was just posted on Key Aviation forum by JohnWoo. Looks like the Russians are going to sell engines to the Pakistanis.:
Here is the article copy from PAKDEF:
JANE'S DEFENCE INDUSTRY - DECEMBER 01, 2006
Russia decides to supply Pakistan with fighter-aircraft engines
By Robert Karniol, Zuhai Air Show, China. Additional reporting by Ben Vogel, Janes.com Editor
PAKISTAN'S JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft will be powered by Russian Klimov RD-93 engines - a substantial change in position for Russia which had previously resisted giving Pakistan access to the engine.
Directly contradicting an earlier Russian position, a senior Chinese aerospace official has for the first time publicly confirmed that the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 (FC-1) under development will be powered by the Russian engine. The new position was supported by Russian officials.
"Right now we are using the RD-93 [in prototypes] and it's Klimov who will do the series production [of the engine]. The engine will be exported to Pakistan," said Li Pei, development director at China's Chengdhu Aircraft Industry Group, which is leading the programme and also involved the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.
Klimov mentioned that the FC-1, China's version of the jointly developed aircraft, is still undergoing "performance flight tests".
Russian diplomatic and industry officials had previously stated without qualification that the RD-93 powering the FC-1 will not be provided to Islamabad either directly or through re-export. Klimov had reiterated this position only a day before Li's statement.
Moscow is thought to have hesitated over any deal involving provision of its military products to Pakistan because of concerns centred on its long-standing defence relationship with rival India.
Klimov, in particular, is involved in a Russian bid to supply New Delhi with 126 MiG-29 fighters.
Li reversed this view of the JF-17 programme when questioned by Jane's at a press briefing organised by Klimov during the China Air Show 2006. He was flanked on the podium by senior officials from both Klimov and the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport.
"If we don't sell [Pakistan the RD-93 engines] then someone else will. It's just a reality," said Klimov Director General Alexander Vatagin, in a follow-up comment. Oleg Novikov, a senior official with Rosoborenexport, reinforced the change in position over export of the engine.
"The process to [arrange the provision to Pakistan of the RD-93] is on-going," he explained.
"The export licence will be granted provided it doesn't contravene the export laws of Russia or China."
The Pakistan Air Force earlier this year told Jane's that it had received firm assurances from China that the RD-93 issue will not prove a problem despite repeated Russian statements to the contrary.
Here is the article copy from PAKDEF:
JANE'S DEFENCE INDUSTRY - DECEMBER 01, 2006
Russia decides to supply Pakistan with fighter-aircraft engines
By Robert Karniol, Zuhai Air Show, China. Additional reporting by Ben Vogel, Janes.com Editor
PAKISTAN'S JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft will be powered by Russian Klimov RD-93 engines - a substantial change in position for Russia which had previously resisted giving Pakistan access to the engine.
Directly contradicting an earlier Russian position, a senior Chinese aerospace official has for the first time publicly confirmed that the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 (FC-1) under development will be powered by the Russian engine. The new position was supported by Russian officials.
"Right now we are using the RD-93 [in prototypes] and it's Klimov who will do the series production [of the engine]. The engine will be exported to Pakistan," said Li Pei, development director at China's Chengdhu Aircraft Industry Group, which is leading the programme and also involved the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.
Klimov mentioned that the FC-1, China's version of the jointly developed aircraft, is still undergoing "performance flight tests".
Russian diplomatic and industry officials had previously stated without qualification that the RD-93 powering the FC-1 will not be provided to Islamabad either directly or through re-export. Klimov had reiterated this position only a day before Li's statement.
Moscow is thought to have hesitated over any deal involving provision of its military products to Pakistan because of concerns centred on its long-standing defence relationship with rival India.
Klimov, in particular, is involved in a Russian bid to supply New Delhi with 126 MiG-29 fighters.
Li reversed this view of the JF-17 programme when questioned by Jane's at a press briefing organised by Klimov during the China Air Show 2006. He was flanked on the podium by senior officials from both Klimov and the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport.
"If we don't sell [Pakistan the RD-93 engines] then someone else will. It's just a reality," said Klimov Director General Alexander Vatagin, in a follow-up comment. Oleg Novikov, a senior official with Rosoborenexport, reinforced the change in position over export of the engine.
"The process to [arrange the provision to Pakistan of the RD-93] is on-going," he explained.
"The export licence will be granted provided it doesn't contravene the export laws of Russia or China."
The Pakistan Air Force earlier this year told Jane's that it had received firm assurances from China that the RD-93 issue will not prove a problem despite repeated Russian statements to the contrary.
maglomanic
Junior Member
Assasin,
Please cite Xinhui of CDF as source for your article at PakDef forum. He requested that. I think that would be polite and appropriate towards him.
Please cite Xinhui of CDF as source for your article at PakDef forum. He requested that. I think that would be polite and appropriate towards him.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Well if it's his, it's his. I have no problem with it. I see a lot posted with no name attached. I didn't credit JohnWoo as the source of this tidbit. That would be Jane's. I just said he posted it in Key Aviation where I saw it first and got it from if people want to follow the trail of who wants to take credit... well have fun.
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Aliph Ahmed
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Pakistan is being supplied with RD-93 which is a modified version of RD-33 and has more thrust between 79-98KN range.
As for the Boeing, please read my post again. I said Before the 9/11 safety measures and not before 9/11.
are these pics already posted? Anyways I believe that these planes were flown by PLAAF Pilots. However, they do have the 'Pakistani F-16' camo. Another very strange part is that there is a tip of a J-10 in one of the pictures taxiing off with a JF-17!Overall GREAT pictures!
Infact sources are claiming that the JF-17/FC-1 will be a part of the Zuhai* air Show of 2006
Infact sources are claiming that the JF-17/FC-1 will be a part of the Zuhai* air Show of 2006
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pakistan make awrong choice ,theny should have opt for EJ-2000 of M-88U,compare with Rd-33 or RD-93,EJ-2000 or M-88-2 (or even GE F-414/404) are much lighter,low fuel consumption,according to French which pushing for M-88-2 to China,(but not lisense to produce the engine)with M-88-2 translated into 40% extra range for FC-1.
Cost are another factor! I believe using western tech will increase the overall price of FC-1. RD-93 are cheap.