The Horde and the 1st bullet proof vest.

stonewind

New Member
Now I know why mongolian hordes were not affected by arrow storms or fire attacks. Right down to most swords......SILK!!!

Silk when interwqoven like kevlar (about 16layers) is strong enough to stop a standard police issue 9mm bullet. When interwoven 20 times and added with steel plate it can stop a 44. magnum.

The mongolians even added Aspestus to there armor making them fire resilient, and leather to normnal soldiers + steel to commanders. That is easily described as one of the best medieval armor produced.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
i didn't know they had kevlar back in the 12th century, i just know it's a really hard polymer. when was it first produced? and how?
 

Liberator

Junior Member
Now I know why mongolian hordes were not affected by arrow storms or fire attacks. Right down to most swords......SILK!!!

Silk when interwqoven like kevlar (about 16layers) is strong enough to stop a standard police issue 9mm bullet. When interwoven 20 times and added with steel plate it can stop a 44. magnum.

The mongolians even added Aspestus to there armor making them fire resilient, and leather to normnal soldiers + steel to commanders. That is easily described as one of the best medieval armor produced.

... Source??? How'd you know Mogols aren't affected by arrows?
 

rommel

Bow Seat
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stonewind said:
Now I know why mongolian hordes were not affected by arrow storms or fire attacks. Right down to most swords......SILK!!!

Silk when interwqoven like kevlar (about 16layers) is strong enough to stop a standard police issue 9mm bullet. When interwoven 20 times and added with steel plate it can stop a 44. magnum.

The mongolians even added Aspestus to there armor making them fire resilient, and leather to normnal soldiers + steel to commanders. That is easily described as one of the best medieval armor produced.

normally, the most common used bullet vest got 32 layer of kevlar, my combat vest got 48 + a titanium plate for the heart...

BTW, kevlar was first use in the 60's, but i'm not sure, was used on sail boat

Never knew that silk was stong... Only know that spider silk is the strongest on earth, even more than kevlar...
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
the us is testing how to make spider silk. no progress yet, and it will be another decade before a prototype comes out.
 

stonewind

New Member
Source national geographic. I advice you to go to there website for further info. The silk bulletproof vest was tested in thailand because of some underbudgeted police precincts who wanted a bulletproof vests that the city cannot supply.

The mongol horde I meant were more resilient to arrows, not invincible. Pisigma is that sarcasm or did you not read my post? It explains why arrow storms didnt work when they took the battle to the mid east as most empires back then like persia favored ranged attacks. Attack by fire by the chinese were not as effective at it should have been. Most of the Mongol warriors would survive and surprise the enemy by over estimating the mongol hordes loss and underestimating the force that survived the fire attack.

So it goes to show that Mongol hordes were not just a brutal force but ingenuous as well.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
that was not sarcasm, i was asking how did they produce it. basically is it the exact same kind of kevlar we use today. because i always thought kevlar was a fairly new invention.
 

adeptitus

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The Mongol warrior used to wear Chinese silk underwear, if it could be obtained. One would not normally consider underwear to be military equipment, but the fact is that silk is a very tough substance. If arrows are shot from a larger distance, they will not easily penetrate the silk. Even if an arrow penetrates the human skin, the silk may hold, so that the arrow can be drawn out from the wound by pulling the silk around. This would also prevent poison from entering the bloodstream. Outside the normal clothes, the warrior carried a protective shield of light yet effective leather armor, which was impregnated with a lacquer-like substance in order to make it more impervious to penetration by arrows, swords and knives, and also to protect it against humid weather. Very probably this lacquer was fish glue, which was the strongest and most weather resistant natural material that fits this purpose. Often their horses also carried this type of leather armor. The horses also had saddles with stirrups, because this was necessary in order to carry all the equipment and to fight from the saddle. Mongol warriors also wore helmets, the upper part of which was made of metal, the parts covering the ears and neck were in leather.

Because the winter temperatures in Siberia and Mongolia can drop down to 60 Celsius degrees below zero, proper clothing was imperative. Thus the Mongols used heavy leather boots with felt socks on their feet. During winter they wore on their bodies several layers of wool. On the outside they typically had a covering coat of fur or sheepskin, and a fur hat with ear flaps over the helmet.

The legs were often protected by overlapping iron plates resembling fish scales, which were sewn into the boots. Each warrior carried a battle axe, a curved sword known as scimitar; a lance, and two versions of their most famous weapon: The Mongol recurved bow. One of the bows was light and could be fired rapidly from horseback, the other one was heavier and designed for long-range use from a ground position. This heavy bow had an average draw weight of 166 pounds, according to George Vernadsky much more than the strongest contemporary European bow, the English longbow. It was not until the invention of breach-load rifles in the 1860s that the world saw a small weapon which had more power than the bow of the Chingis-Khanite Mongols. As could be expected, the troops had several quivers each. Some were filled with arrows suitable for use against warriors and horses at closer ranges, while another quiver held arrows for penetration of armor or for long-range shots. Each rider had a sharpening stone for keeping the metal arms in top shape. Since self-sufficiency was the order of the day, in addition to the indispensable knife an awl, needle and thread were carried by each rider, to enable quick and effective repair of almost any type of equipment in the field.
 

jimmyttl

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Ya... I saw it on National Geographic as well, it explains why a small number of mongol soldiers can treak thousand of miles n conquer a western countries. This silk decrease its fatality rate which means most of the mongol soldiers are seasoned warrioir ( u know... just like d modern day elite troops) & fighting an enemy 10 times their number proof to be an easy stuff i guess ^^
 

Obcession

Junior Member
jimmyttl said:
Ya... I saw it on National Geographic as well, it explains why a small number of mongol soldiers can treak thousand of miles n conquer a western countries. This silk decrease its fatality rate which means most of the mongol soldiers are seasoned warrioir ( u know... just like d modern day elite troops) & fighting an enemy 10 times their number proof to be an easy stuff i guess ^^

Especially when you try to encircle the enemy and give all your archers a shooting space.
 
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