Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
I could quote you several reasons why i do not worship weapons, Su-57 for me is just a plane, i like it but is not my favorite aircraft, i am a F-14 fan more than Su-57, but for me it is a weapon, but as a historian i know quoting is more reliable when you get closer to the actors of the event.

When i expressed my opinion about J-20, i supported Forbin`s position because his link is close to reality, but in the case of what you ask me you are not speculating but affirming, thus i have to ask `you better sources, in the case of Forbin`s case we were not affirming but speculating
F-14 yes Bomcat at then end moreover little known in this role ofc amazing nice machine radar, huge AIM-54 etc... but have also a very good range clearly more than the Super Hornet.
And he shoot down some Libyans :)
 

b787

Captain
You can't have both ways Bub! I don't reveal my sources. Then again I don't post outragious nonsense!
my friend you should remember a bible verse a proverb in Chapter 3:7, no one think we are not right, i am convinced you think you are right and I am wrong, and you can say viceversa about me.
That is the reason why it reminds us to submit to God`s law.
And that means also to be honest and humble.


I will tell you honestly one thing is affirm 055 was written off and another speculate it was written off, at university, when you are about to graduate, you have a final examination, any contradiction we say lowers our last grade.

Same is in this case the difference between affirming 055 was written off and another speculating it was written off, there is a very big gap.

In science, and History is science, one crack, one inconsistency in the theory, can bring down a whole paradigm, a hypothesis, a theory.

If i affirm J-20 weighs 38 tonnes you automatically will ask me where is your source, if i say a TV interview by Chinese TV where a Chengdu designer said that, and i prove it, i will rest my case, but if i do not, you can say you have no clue, or you are speculating.

Now imagine i write in Wikipedia J-20 weighs 40 tonnes, they will ask me sources, if i can defend it my modification and editing will stay, if i give a good source, proof, in an interview on Chinese TV by a Chengdu official or Chengdu`s official website no one will doubt about me, but if not, then they will simply edit my participation.


Same is what you say, i did not say you are wrong however i did not say you are right either.

I simply said you have no proof from an official source, you can speculate based upon your experience in life, that is valid but see the difference between speculating and affirming, a good historian will never affirm if he or she can not prove something, Archaeology is based upon the idea when historical sources are ambiguous, then you go to material remains, i doubt you or me have access or will ever have access to 055 and confirm it is a new aircraft or the same aircraft just repaired.

A historian in the future might get access to that information, but see, at least now Sukhoi officially does not support your views regardless you say you know the Russian lie and they are compulsive liars.
 
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b787

Captain
F-14 yes Bomcat at then end moreover little known in this role ofc amazing nice machine radar, huge AIM-54 etc... but have also a very good range clearly more than the Super Hornet.
And he shoot down some Libyans :)
I love many aircraft, from France Rafale, in my personal opinion is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever been built, I like the Super Etendart too and Mirage 4000 in fact i consider France to have one of the most beautiful aircraft design, well France has good Cheese too and bread too.
The Americans sometimes have really nice aircraft too, F-14, F-16, B-787, B-777, L-1011, F-4U Corsair and P-51 are my favorite.
To be honest the Russians tend to make not very beautiful aircraft, but the Flanker, Fulcrum, Fencer, Backfire, Superjet, S-10 and Flogger are my favorite, but the Russians and British have a share of making ugly aircraft.

From the Russians I only find truly beautiful the Fulcrum, the Fullback, Backfire, Fencer, Il-86 and the Flogger, but all the early MiG-15s or Yak-28 well are pretty ugly and with exception of Yak-9 all WWII Russian aircraft were not really appealing to me.

The Flanker has good views but sometimes it has some brutish aspects, like the MiG-25

A few shots of Pakfa from the air

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I only Find the Brazilians to compete with France in terms of beautiful aircraft, the E-175 or AMX well are in my opinion really beautiful.


From Germany i always will love He-162, Me-264 and Ar-234.

Ah i forgot, i love the IAI Lavi, in my opinion i would had liked IAI Lavi and Mirage 4000 would had gotten in serial production
 

Air Force Brat

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Super Moderator
F-14 yes Bomcat at then end moreover little known in this role ofc amazing nice machine radar, huge AIM-54 etc... but have also a very good range clearly more than the Super Hornet.
And he shoot down some Libyans :)


"BOMCAT",,,,, I suppose that means you've seen the You-Tube video of the very fast fly-by and then 5 miles down range KA-BLAMO!!!

So, as great as the F-14's reputation,,, she did have some "incidents", she was HEAVY, sucked gas like a fiend,,, and the occasional "KA-BLAMO!",,, even outstanding aircraft live in a real, and very dangerous world, just as the Chinese carrier pilots have found out,,,, a very high price to project power,,, but somebody's got to carry the load!

BOMCAT!, BOMCAT!,,, yeah, I like it, and I do miss the Bomcat, Turkey??,,, or whatever you want to call her, she was all girl, and built like a "brick outhouse!",, all the bricks were in the right places... oh and in the bath tub wind-tunnel,,, the F-14 with the wings swept back flew better than any of the other die-cast models,,, yeah, I did dynamic testing on em all... that just proves the basic shape was aerodynamically sound, nothing else, as the die cast birds weight and balance is way aft of where it should be!
 

FORBIN

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"BOMCAT",,,,, I suppose that means you've seen the You-Tube video of the very fast fly-by and then 5 miles down range KA-BLAMO!!!

So, as great as the F-14's reputation,,, she did have some "incidents", she was HEAVY, sucked gas like a fiend,,, and the occasional "KA-BLAMO!",,, even outstanding aircraft live in a real, and very dangerous world, just as the Chinese carrier pilots have found out,,,, a very high price to project power,,, but somebody's got to carry the load!
LOL :D but please remains on topic, true mess with always same problems bias... but in more no moderators and severals topic with OT posts :rolleyes: but where is the Police !
PLA topic become Soviet topic :) LOL never see it !!!
 
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Air Force Brat

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LOL :D but please remains on topic, true mess with always same problems bias... but in more no moderators and severals topic with OT posts :rolleyes: but where is the Police !
PLA topic become Soviet topic :) LOL never see it !!!

Oh??? I get it, the BomKAT was the ground attack version of the F-14?? actually the Russians plan to "load up the SU-57" into a fine multi-role aircraft.... as for the "da-police"? this is a "Forum", I'm quite sure that many here have NO idea what a Forum is??

It's not "directed conversation", "recess, supervised by the teacher",,, conversations lead to many different places???

so back on topic, lots of nice pictures of the SU-57, and it would be interesting to be a "bug on the wall" and see how the -2 is fairing structurally,,, as you know the -2 was redesigned to address initial shortcomings in the -1 that required several f the early prototypes to be completely rebuilt. However 055 was principally destroyed by an engine fire, just as our own F-35A was principally destroyed by an engine fire,,, but some people live in an alternate universe and play by different rules???

So, will we get a look into those side bays here shortly?? are they fully functional on the -2, and even the main bays?? I tend to believe that much of that aft fuse cracking was due to the aft bay, engine bay, tail feather junctions...

it would be nice to have some insight into their fixes for those known issues??
 

b787

Captain
However 055 was principally destroyed by an engine fire, just as our own F-35A was principally destroyed by an engine fire,,, but some people live in an alternate universe and play by different rules???
My friend you do not need to send me hints, see what i have said, i never said you are wrong or right, i said you should change the wording.

If you say I am 100% sure 055 is a new aircraft people will ask you proof of such statement.
Something you have not done.
If you say there is a rumor 055 was written off and is basically a new aircraft, if you add it comes from unconfirmed reports, then you are in a more realistic position.

that is the reason you can not have the things in the way you want, if you say unconfirmed reports, then you give your self some degree of freedom and more important in the case the rumors are false your reputation is not damage.

I will not reply you each time you send me a "hint" you are free to believe and keep any position, however consider in this world there are other ways of viewing things, plus i do research in several forums the information i know plus i look like Jura does several Russian language websites and Forums, i am not a person who has first hand information, i have never claim i am but i read a lot in Russian language aircraft forums, the 055 information of being written off came from Forums, but you are free.

i will cut it here; i will not mention it to you anymore Regards
 
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