Chinese Economics Thread

sanblvd

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Raw materials are not the basis of an economy, unless you have a really small population.

And I still disagree on countries being economic vassals. Today's decreased transportation and communication costs, combined with a relatively liberal trade/investment order means that most countries do have enough freedom to avoid becoming outright vassals.

But I think it really does come down to providing a stable and supportive business environment, then encouraging R&D with a highly educated and trained population.

There is plenty of country today surviving on raw material exports, for example, the entire middle east, half of Africa, and north of China there is Mongolia, I mean heck you can probably put Russia and Canada somewhat into that category.

As for being economic vassals, its already happening, how many country cannot survive today if overnight their raw material disappears? When I say vassal, I don't mean full subservient slaves, nations on surface will still be equal to one another, but some nation just cannot survive without others and both of those nations knows exactly who calls the shot in the relationship without saying anything.

As for your last point that is true, its in many nation's ability to follow such path and develop a nitch high tech industry, but its unlike a failing nation today will suddenly gather up their straighten and do all the right things and became successful, it be like a homeless drunk who have no history of success suddenly quits drinking, find a job, goes to college, work hard and became a millionaire, its possible to lay out a theoretical path but following it is something else.
 

AndrewS

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There is plenty of country today surviving on raw material exports, for example, the entire middle east, half of Africa, and north of China there is Mongolia, I mean heck you can probably put Russia and Canada somewhat into that category.

As for being economic vassals, its already happening, how many country cannot survive today if overnight their raw material disappears? When I say vassal, I don't mean full subservient slaves, nations on surface will still be equal to one another, but some nation just cannot survive without others and both of those nations knows exactly who calls the shot in the relationship without saying anything.

As for your last point that is true, its in many nation's ability to follow such path and develop a nitch high tech industry, but its unlike a failing nation today will suddenly gather up their straighten and do all the right things and became successful, it be like a homeless drunk who have no history of success suddenly quits drinking, find a job, goes to college, work hard and became a millionaire, its possible to lay out a theoretical path but following it is something else.

Look at the economies of the "entire middle east, half of Africa and Mongolia".

Low commodity prices are causing economic crises in most of them, as they don't have robust manufacturing or service industries.

Russia is in the same situation, as they are rapidly running down their reserves. Although admittedly a war and sanctions have contributed to the situation as well.

That is not surviving. That is going backwards.

But Canada has escaped the worst of low commodity prices because it is diversified enough.
Eg. Automobiles have displaced oil as the Canada's largest export.
 
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Economic Watch: China hits back at S&P downgrade
Xinhua| 2017-09-22 21:43:07
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China hit back Friday at the S&P Global Ratings' downgrade of the country's sovereign credit rating, with the finance ministry calling it a "wrong decision."

The Ministry of Finance (MOF) website described the decision as "perplexing," with the economy on a firm footing.

S&P said Thursday that it had lowered China's long-term sovereign credit rating to A+ from AA-, because a "prolonged period of strong credit growth has increased its economic and financial risks."

Calling the reasoning a "cliche," the MOF said it was a pity that S&P had focused on credit growth and debt, but ignored China's distinctive financing structure, the wealth-creating effect of the government spending and its support for growth, as well as the country's sound economic fundamentals and development potential.

"The downgrade is a result of international rating agencies' long-standing mode of thinking, and a misreading of the Chinese economy based on developed countries' experiences," read the statement.

The government would maintain financial stability by remaining prudent on lending, tightening supervision and controlling risk, the ministry said. Stable and relatively fast growth would be maintained with credit kept at a reasonable level.

In any case, credit growth is decelerating. At the end of August, M2 -- cash in circulation plus deposits -- was up 8.9 percent from a year before, but the pace of growth was down for the seventh straight month.

Addressing debt growth, the MOF said local government debt issues would be addressed through continued fiscal reform. S&P had claimed that local government financing vehicles (LGFVs) continued to fund public investment with borrowing that could require repayment by the government. The ministry insists that debt of LGFVs will be paid off by the companies themselves, and governments would not be liable.

Liu Shangxi, head of Chinese Academy of Fiscal Sciences, said the commonly used debt analysis framework was flawed as it ignored how debt was used. The majority of China's debt went on public facilities and infrastructure, which provide impetus for growth, Liu said.

S&P rival, rating agency Moody's, downgraded China's credit rating in May, so the S&P downgrade was not surprising, said Qiao Baoyun, head of the academy of public finance and public policy under Central University of Finance and Economics.

S&P theory did not apply to China's development and resilience, Qiao said.

Financial markets were muted. The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index Friday edged down an unexceptional 0.16 percent to 3,352.53.

Economist Liu Liu said after 5 years of downward adjustment, economic growth has stabilized and is healthier and more sustainable, but overseas observers, including rating agencies, have an assessment of China's economic fundamentals that is "behind the curve."

GDP grew faster than expected in the first half of the year, above the government's 2017 target.

S&P's downgrade is a reminder of deficiencies in the economy and the need for reform, but not a reflection of credit risk or economic fundamentals, Liu said.
 

kwaigonegin

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He/she would be able to gain access to your regular account by faking your identity easily enough already.

There are few security checks that can stop someone with your face and ID from gaining access to pretty much any and every account you have.

In regard to cell phones though, a fingerprint ID is actually more secure than facial recognition since it's u unique unlike a persons face thus my evil twin analogy. Also I was being funny.
 
Chinese students opts to attend Chinese MBA program instead of western ones.

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China’s roving students are lured home


by Jonathan Moules

After high school in Nanjing, Queenie Ren followed a familiar path for young Chinese students. She moved to the US for higher education, studying economics at Brown University.

Five years later, she is back in China working for consultancies and investment banks. Now Ms Ren is considering applying to business school. But this time, she will stay close to home, planning only to apply to the Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business (CKGSB) in Beijing. She wants to remain in China because the opportunity to build Chinese contacts is more important than the prestige of a western MBA.

“Networking gets more and more important for your career,” Ms Ren says. “It is important to be local to do that.”

China has long provided a large proportion of the international students on MBA courses in western business schools. According to new data from the Graduate Management Admission Council, the country accounts for the greatest number of international applications in the US and Canada, and is second only to India as a provider of foreign students in Europe.

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Historically, the Chinese student diaspora has headed abroad to study, guided by a belief that European or American MBAs were superior to those from Chinese institutions. But the qualitative difference between local and overseas schools is narrowing for Chinese students, as increasing numbers of domestic institutions have gained international accreditation that qualifies them for global rankings.

The Shanghai-based China Europe International Business School (Ceibs) MBA course was ranked 11th best in the world by the Financial Times this year, up from 17th in 2016 and the highest of five Chinese schools in the top 100. It became the first Chinese institution to receive European Foundation for Management Development accreditation in 1994. Now 20 Chinese schools have achieved the standard, according to David Asch, EFMD’s director of quality services.

“The west has had a good run with Chinese students for the last 15 to 20 years, but it’s going to come to an end,” Mr Asch says. “The jobs network is key.”

Ms Ren’s choice of school, CKGSB, was founded in 2002. According to its marketing material, its extensive Chinese business connections are a good reason for students to choose its degree programmes. Of CKGSB’s 10,000 alumni, more than half are company chairs or chief executives. About 40 per cent of the 50 to 60 students CKGSB takes for its MBA course each year are returning Chinese nationals, according to Li Haitao, the associate dean responsible for the 14-month course. “All these students get a good education overseas but they come back to China for their career development,” he says.

Chinese business schools’ increasing presence on global MBA ranking lists means greater competition for those returning home to seek work. The professional networks MBA students build during their time at Chinese business school can give them a considerable advantage over those who have spent up to two years studying overseas.

For now, the sheer size of the Chinese population and the capacity limits on domestic MBA courses means the numbers of Chinese students studying in western business schools continues to climb even as demand at home grows.

But most of these students return home, putting pressure on western schools to build stronger connections with Chinese employers. Half of the Chinese MBA students who graduated from London Business School in the past three years returned to China seeking work. LBS co-hosts with Insead, HEC Paris, Rotterdam School of Management and Iese, an Asian careers fair where students can meet Chinese companies looking for MBA graduates, on its campus in London.

Some western schools secure a local presence in China by recruiting alumni. Eric Xu, an MBA graduate from the University of Cambridge’s Judge Business School, organises alumni events in Shanghai, where he now runs a career coaching business. He aims to build connections with Judge alumni in senior roles in companies in the city to develop a pipeline for hiring MBAs.

A recent success involved a real estate investment company in Shanghai whose head of human resources was a Judge graduate who now plans to recruit an MBA and a masters graduate from the school. “Ninety per cent of the Chinese students on my course are back in China,” Mr Xu says. “Our alumni can be mentors to the freshly graduated students that come home.”

Yingshan Shi has been a news anchor for the Xinhua News Agency in Washington and Beijing. She is preparing to study for the one-year MBA at Insead, where she intends to plan her next career move.

“In China, people are in a rush to get things done,” she says. “Studying in Europe gives you a chance to think about what you are doing.”

Insead is recognised as a prestigious school in China, which should make her job search easy after graduation, Ms Shi hopes. Just in case, she has a back-up plan in that her course offers an optional two-month study exchange at the Ceibs campus in Shanghai, where she can start building local business contacts.
 
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China’s state planner says corporate leverage ratio is down

2017-09-25 18:39 GMT+8
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China’s corporate leverage ratio is down, debt risk is lower and market-based debt-to-equity swaps had a good start, the country's state planner said on Monday.

China’s corporate leverage ratio had decreased to 165.3 percent in the first quarter, and had gone down or held the line for three continuous quarters, according to the latest data from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) said in a statement on its website.

Growing at a slower pace, China’s overall leverage ratio had stood at 257.8 percent at the end of the first quarter, with year-on-year increase down 4.7 percentage points compared to the previous quarter, BIS latest data showed, NDRC said in the statement.

As of last Friday, value of debt-to-equity swaps in China had exceeded 1.3 trillion yuan (196.5 billion US dollars), and as of the end of July, the amount of equity financing had balanced at 6.3 trillion yuan (952.1 billion US dollars), said NDRC.

S&P Global Ratings cut China’s sovereign credit rating last week. However, it was “a wrong decision” that neglects the country's distinctive financing structure, the wealth-creating effect of the government's spending and its support for growth, as well as the sound fundamentals and development potential of the world’s second-largest economy, said China’s Ministry of Finance. Experts from China's financial industry also said the timing is “unexpected” and the move reflects “shallow analysis."

China will focus on bringing down leverage ratios for state-owned enterprises, shutting down “zombie firms” to divert credit and production resources to more efficient companies, pushing forward market-based debt-to-equity swaps, and further supporting mergers and acquisitions among firms, said the NDRC.
 

broadsword

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In regard to cell phones though, a fingerprint ID is actually more secure than facial recognition since it's u unique unlike a persons face thus my evil twin analogy. Also I was being funny.

Ping An Insurance's facial recognition system is able to differentiate between twins. I believe the systems used by other organisations should have similar capability. If the system can't cross that benchmark, I don't think it can be used by any large organisations.
 
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