Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Jeff sez;

Though I would have much rather seen her preserved, even in her live fire and ultimate scuttle exercises, she continued to serve her namesake and taught us a lot that you can be bet is being applied as we speak.

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And I agree..I pray that the SECNAV decides to re-name CVN-78 USS America. It is only fitting.

I served on that ship in 1981. It is the only ship I served on in which no one was killed during the deployment. And I made 7 deployments. It also deployed with a 92 total aircraft CVW.

CVW-11 on CV-66 Jan'81-Nov'81
14ac= VF-114 Aardvarks F-14A(TARPS)
12ac= VF-213 Black Lions F-14A
12ac= VA-192 Golden Dragons A-7E
12ac= VA-195 Dam Busters A-7E
15ac= VA-95 Green Lizards A-6E/KA-6D
04ac= VAW-123 Screwtops E-2C
04ac= VAQ-133 Wizards EA-6B
06ac= HS-12 Wyverns SH-3H
10ac= VS-33 Screwbirds S-3A
01ac= VQ-2DET. Batmen EA-3B
02ac= VR-24DET. Lifting Eagles C-2A
92 total aircraft!

Anyway the SINKEX exersise the USN conducts on capital ships prove how hard they are to sink. And remember that the ships attacked in the SINKEX are unmanned therefore no damage contol is taking place. And they still don't sink.....Think about it..

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

bd popeye said:

Jeff sez;
Anyway the SINKEX exersise the USN conducts on capital ships prove how hard they are to sink. And remember that the ships attacked in the SINKEX are unmanned therefore no damage contol is taking place. And they still don't sink.....Think about it..

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OK, it's been established that they are very hard to sink. Maybe we should start a new tread about how to disrupt carrier ops? I remember after TR collision in '96 it was drifting for 3 days so the divers could inspect for the possible damage!

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

BLUEJACKET said:

OK, it's been established that they are very hard to sink. Maybe we should start a new tread about how to disrupt carrier ops? I remember after TR collision in '96 it was drifting for 3 days so the divers could inspect for the possible damage!

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That's normal proceedure. Way back in '73 when I was on the Midway we drifted around in a very heavy fog after a minor colission with a Japanese ship for two reasons;
1) It was so foggy we could not really see!

2) To inspect the damage.

Things happen to ships. Nothing is perfect. In '75 on the Hancock we had to unrep water because our evaporators were in such bad condidtion...no kidding. Things happen!

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

bd popeye said:

That's normal proceedure. Way back in '73 when I was on the Midway we drifted around in a very heavy fog after a minor colission with a Japanese ship ...

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So, the radars couldn't see through the fog?

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

BLUEJACKET said:

So, the radars couldn't see through the fog?

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You know we thought the same thing at the time but at that time. I think the USN was afraid of another collision. Those were bad times for the US military ..right after Vietnam and the military wanted as little bad publicity as possible. Hadda maintain a low profile...

By the way the fog was so thick you could not see more than 500ft. The flight deck security watches were secured..that's how foggy it was. Honestly BLUEJACKET that was the thickest fog I ever experienced in my entire life. This occured off the North eastern coast of Hokkaido Japan in November'73.

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

bd popeye said:

By the way the fog was so thick you could not see more than 500ft. The flight deck security watches were secured..that's how foggy it was. Honestly BLUEJACKET that was the thickest fog I ever experienced in my entire life. This occured off the North eastern coast of Hokkaido Japan in November'73.

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That area is known for bad weather. They figured to be safe than sorry- the radars may not pick everything. This is off the subject, but I heard that now an NVG can see through the fog also- is that true? They use them for night ops and I wonder if they would risk flying off the carriers in low visibility.

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

bd popeye said:

You know we thought the same thing at the time but at that time. I think the USN was afraid of another collision. Those were bad times for the US military ..right after Vietnam and the military wanted as little bad publicity as possible. Hadda maintain a low profile...

By the way the fog was so thick you could not see more than 500ft. The flight deck security watches were secured..that's how foggy it was. Honestly BLUEJACKET that was the thickest fog I ever experienced in my entire life. This occured off the North eastern coast of Hokkaido Japan in November'73.

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Popeye, what are the "flight deck security watches?"

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Finn McCool said:

Popeye, what are the "flight deck security watches?"

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On the flight deck and hangar deck of an USN aircraft carrier whenflight quaters is secured(No more flying) Patrols(Watches) are organized to patrol the flight deck and hangar deck to watch for safety and security. Any discrepancies are reported to Flight deck control or hangar deck control.

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

I haven't read the entire thread, so disregard this post if necessary. I know a carrier would seek to avoid being in the range of land-based artillery at all costs, but let's say circumstances dictate that it MUST pass close to the coast. Would it be able to be sunk quickly?

Or let's say it ran through an underwater minefield. What procedures are in place for detecting and disabling these mines, and are they in common effect in CVBGs?

Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Wouldn't a 2000lb bomb going off totally disrupt the carriers operation
and thus make it a lot easier to put it out of action in a conflict ?

I mean you wouldn't need to ensure every inch of it was sunk.

Or would the carrier still be 99% functional after a missile strike ?