India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

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discspinner

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A military variety program dedicated solely the the PLAGF.

Of particular interest, can someone elucidate on what is happening at 38:30, especially the units they come from? These are 'combat troop representatives', several are from Xinjiang, Tibet. With echoes of phases of Xi's speech at the military parade such as 'elimination of invading enemies,' 'as long as we are here, the Motherland will not lose an inch of territory,' 'absolute loyalty'. Almost as if they are about to go into combat. You can bet their units are watching on TV. Then we see a declaration of loyalty from multiple military, especially long range rocket artillery units. I have never seen anything like this from a PLA military program like this.

Time's up, we are likely to see an ultimatum within 1 week.
 

Hendrik_2000

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No, there is no need to go to war.

The diplomatic effort is not at an impasse.

If Bhutan requests India forces to leave and they don't, then Chinese military forces can LEGITIMATELY remove Indian forces from Doklam.

We can see from multiple sources within Bhutan that public opinion and geopolitical reality is steadily moving Bhutan towards dealing with China DIRECTLY without having India involved.

See the Straits Times and thewire articles that have just been published.

Bhutan is not going to say anything Don't forget that India has station troop in Bhutan and the present king just have to look back in history and see what happened to Sikkim when she refuse to bent to India will . He was removed and Sikkim is annexed by India

Beside India contribute significant loan and grant to Bhutan just like Tibet Those country in Himalaya is not economically viable and need tremendous infusion of money

There is no more talk between China and India now. Are you oblivious to this?. I don't advocate war but I have foreboding feeling it will come to that India left China with no choice!
Unless she climbed down and use Bhutan to save face and spin the climbed down as Bhutan request

Sofar Bhutan hasn't said anything other than that website! All those wishful thinking aside
I quote another politician Piere Elliot Trudeau
When you live next to an elephant you will be crushed if you don't behave
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Sorry misquote here the real quote
Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.
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sanblvd

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I am having a feeling that there is a conscious effort going on in the Western media to poetry this as a dispute that all side is at fault.

I have already read 2 article, saw 1 TV news and 1 talk shows that label this is as a "border dispute", all of the talk point that are being mentioned is that China is building a road near India.

There was absolutely no recognition of reality that India violated mutually agreed border by sending in troops in the 1st place.

I know the US leadership in higher up knows exactly whats going on that's why US is not publicly supporting India, but it does not mean the US media will not try to distort the information and manipulate the opinion on purpose.
 

Dizasta1

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I am having a feeling that there is a conscious effort going on in the Western media to poetry this as a dispute that all side is at fault.

I have already read 2 article, saw 1 TV news and 1 talk shows that label this is as a "border dispute", all of the talk point that are being mentioned is that China is building a road near India.

There was absolutely no recognition of reality that India violated mutually agreed border by sending in troops in the 1st place.

I know the US leadership in higher up knows exactly whats going on that's why US is not publicly supporting India, but it does not mean the US media will not try to distort the information and manipulate the opinion on purpose.

And why would there be impartiality by the western media toward China on Doklam? The track record of the western media has shown bias when it comes to China.
 

Hendrik_2000

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They must be deploying HQ 16A now in Tibet
We see Chinese version of Oerlikon Contraves Sky guard

Chinese Army - Tibet Military Region: air defense brigade HQ-16A air and air confrontation, temper the combat capability of troops
 
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AndrewS

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Bhutan is not going to say anything Don't forget that India has station troop in Bhutan and the present king just have to look back in history and see what happened to Sikkim when she refuse to bent to India will . He was removed and Sikkim is annexed by India

Beside India contribute significant loan and grant to Bhutan just like Tibet Those country in Himalaya is not economically viable and need tremendous infusion of money

There is no more talk between China and India now. Are you oblivious to this?. I don't advocate war but I have foreboding feeling it will come to that India left China with no choice!
Unless she climbed down and use Bhutan to save face and spin the climbed down as Bhutan request

Sofar Bhutan hasn't said anything other than that website! All those wishful thinking aside
I quote another politician Piere Elliot Trudeau
When you live next to an elephant you will be crushed if you don't behave

Yes, India has troops in Bhutan, but I severely doubt India will sponsor a coup/invasion against the King and the democratically elected parliament in Bhutan.

There are too many drawbacks to such a situation, particularly since China will automatically oppose India. And everyone in the world would side with China over India because:

1. China is way more important than India
2. Plus India would clearly be in the wrong if it supported a coup or invasion

Plus you will see internal Indian dissent, because there is no way that Modi can spin something like an invasion of Bhutan as anything other than being a colonial imperialist aggressor.

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On your second point about money, actually have a look at how much India contributes. $1billion per year is chump change to either India or China, as Bhutan has less than 1million really poor people. But China does need to be ready to tide over Bhutan's economy, when they decide to move out of India's orbit.

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Bhutan isn't saying anything because they do feel squeezed between China and India. But what we see is that Bhutanese attitudes are growing more hostile towards India, every day. And the longer this goes on with India/China escalating, the more incentive Bhutan has to demand India remove its troops. Remember that a neutral and independent Bhutan is the best course for them, because they can extract the maximum benefits from both China and India, and therefore not be overly dependent (or squeezed) by either country.

Here is yet another article , which is from the New York Times from last week.

Squeezed by an India-China Standoff, Bhutan Holds Its Breath
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Public opinion in Bhutan is steadily moving in favour of more independence and escaping Indian influence, so that Bhutan can establish better relations with China. India is trying to stop Bhutan from linking up economically with China. But a healthy trade and investment relationship between China and Bhutan is the natural state of affairs, given that they are neighbours.

Remember that Doklam is barren land, which strategically is not that useful in itself. And in time, we can expect Bhutan to move away from India and settle its borders with China.

So in summary, there is no need to rush things with an actual conflict that would create unnecessarily ill-will.
 
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