Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

Yes perhaps I wasn't clear enough but I tried making it clear that it was just my uneducated opinion that it doesn't seem like there's a side bay. Was begging for clarity. None are available but that's okay as long as we're on the same page.

As for H-x bomber and any other supposed project, I wouldn't trust internet sources even if they've been reputable in the past. That's just the correct way to do things. Maybe the project is there and it's flown whatever. Let's wait until we have real photos.

ougoah said:

Yes perhaps I wasn't clear enough but I tried making it clear that it was just my uneducated opinion that it doesn't seem like there's a side bay. Was begging for clarity. None are available but that's okay as long as we're on the same page.

As for H-x bomber and any other supposed project, I wouldn't trust internet sources even if they've been reputable in the past. That's just the correct way to do things. Maybe the project is there and it's flown whatever. Let's wait until we have real photos.

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I agree with you

ougoah said:

Yes perhaps I wasn't clear enough but I tried making it clear that it was just my uneducated opinion that it doesn't seem like there's a side bay. Was begging for clarity. None are available but that's okay as long as we're on the same page.

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As for H-x bomber and any other supposed project, I wouldn't trust internet sources even if they've been reputable in the past. That's just the correct way to do things. Maybe the project is there and it's flown whatever. Let's wait until we have real photos.

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In a certain academic or scientific way it is indeed correct. But here - and esp. if You are writing reports for magazines - You would be always late, much too late if You wait for a 100% confirmation.

Deino said:

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In a certain academic or scientific way it is indeed correct. But here - and esp. if You are writing reports for magazines - You would be always late, much too late if You wait for a 100% confirmation.

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Absolutely, and we know that PAK-FA is a direct competitor to the F-22 by statement of intent, as well as configuration,,,, there's more than enough anecdotal evidence, and like I said before, whether or not there is presently internal hardware, its obvious that the intention is for the PAK-FA to have side-bays, just as the J-20 and F-22.....

I am also very interested in the side weapon bay, less about whether it exists or not, but more about how it operates (if it is there) in that small space.

What I gathered is that, firstly that section of wing root is pretty thick, secondly the drive mechanics are buried in the wing box with pushing bars penetrating the frames (frames always have holes). The bay only houses a rack and the missile, the bay has hinges at either the ridge or at the joint with the wing. The pushing bars will push the rack (with missile) out the bay and the bay door or cover will rotate together with the pushing bars (mechanically connected).

This would be very different implementation from American and Chinese in that driving mechanics are not in the bay.

This is a speculation, but a very feasible one.

I have seen a patent drawing of a rack from Russian site. Someone then made a speculative drawing that depicts the rack being slant mounted inside the wing root. But problem of that speculation is that the rack has a X shaped pushing arrangement than my speculated straight bars, so I doubt that patent is related to the side bay of Su-57.

Air Force Brat said:

Absolutely, and we know that PAK-FA is a direct competitor to the F-22 by statement of intent, as well as configuration,,,, there's more than enough anecdotal evidence, and like I said before, whether or not there is presently internal hardware, its obvious that the intention is for the PAK-FA to have side-bays, just as the J-20 and F-22.....

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I've always been interested in this particular matter because I'm sure Sukhoi and affiliated groups are more than capable of designing and building a fifth gen fighter with side bays. The current set up an and assumption of side bays seems slightly dubious to me for reasons stated and so the question becomes, what does Sukhoi and the RuAF think is more beneficial to this fighter rather than side bays. Not everyone has to follow the American path. Maybe they've just replaced side bays with another thing offering different attributes and the space required sacrifices the side bays. Whatever the truth is, i'm sure the designers aren't muppets. Rather than assuming they've made compromises, they may have just been clever about how money is spent and what technologies hold priority.

ougoah said:

I've always been interested in this particular matter because I'm sure Sukhoi and affiliated groups are more than capable of designing and building a fifth gen fighter with side bays. The current set up an and assumption of side bays seems slightly dubious to me for reasons stated and so the question becomes, what does Sukhoi and the RuAF think is more beneficial to this fighter rather than side bays. Not everyone has to follow the American path. Maybe they've just replaced side bays with another thing offering different attributes and the space required sacrifices the side bays. Whatever the truth is, i'm sure the designers aren't muppets. Rather than assuming they've made compromises, they may have just been clever about how money is spent and what technologies hold priority.

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Heh!, HEh!, Heh, the Soviets copied the the B-17 and the B-29 panel and rivet for rivet! and as to your statement, "not everyone has to follow the American path??" NO ONE HAS TO FOLLOW THE AMERICAN PATH!

but they do, the Chinese bought and then license built the Sukhoi SU-27 derivatives, then they reproduced the SU-33 and called it the J-15..... in the design world smart people don't feel compelled to re-invent the wheel.

We have call PAK-FA the F-22sky for the last two decades or longer, the F-22 has side bays for short range AAM, the SU-57 has been designed to be super maneuverable and go head to head with the F-22, it will have side bays for those AAM, as does the J-20...

whats amazing here is that people with an anti-American bias let that cloud their thinking and their perception of the real world????? fun right, sure it is,,,, but "everybody" wants to eat at McDonalds.

The Japanese, Russians, and Chinese like American toys, sure they invent their own, but most of my childhood toys were Japanese reproductions, (think stamped sheet metal aircraft), of American aircraft! LOL

I had a really neat "Lockheed Electra" with spinning propellors, and a powered undercarriage with steerable nose wheel... koolest dang thing you ever saw!

the challenge for each of us to put aside our bias, and look at the world around us,, I'm starting to see things a lot more clearly, because like you, being on SDF has helped me understand how the rest of the world "thinks and feels", and that more than anything is why I am here!

Air Force Brat said:

Absolutely, and we know that PAK-FA is a direct competitor to the F-22 by statement of intent, as well as configuration,,,, there's more than enough anecdotal evidence, and like I said before, whether or not there is presently internal hardware, its obvious that the intention is for the PAK-FA to have side-bays, just as the J-20 and F-22.....

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Mainly they are more big than F-35/J-31 which don't have room for ext int weapons bays

FORBIN said:

Mainly they are more big than F-35/J-31 which don't have room for ext int weapons bays

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and here we have the simple logic and reason that bring us to conclude that SU-57 has side bays, there is a need, and there is room!