055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

szbd said:

thales’s ARPR block2 is almost entirely an X-band AESA isn't it?

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I said thales i-mast, not thales apar

Very impressive vessel.

I of course will have to get a 1/350 scale one of these.

with so much happening, I now am anxiously waiting on the model makers to come out with all fo the following in 1/350 scale:

US Navy Ford class CVN
PLAN CV-17 CV
Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth class CV
PLAN Type 055 DDG
US Navy Zumwalt class DDG
Indian Vikrant and/or Vikramaditya class CV
Indian Kolkata DDG
Australian Hobart Class DDG
Australian Canberra class LPH

The Indian vessels are the least likely to come out, followed by the Australian ships.

But I expect the US, Chinese, and Royal Navy vessels will all come out...it will just take time.

Quite frankly, I believe Trumpeter will get the Chinese models out first.

We shall see.

in the mean tine, we can all just luxuriate at the eye candy we are getting.

The Type 055 is reality...and it is a very impressive and capable reality:



...and knowing that within the year or 18 months, three more or going to follow just presses that reality home all the more.

AndrewS said:

With the radar horizon, that is at 60 seconds of engagement time, which would be enough for at least 2 SAM engagements. Then you've got the RAM, then CIWS.

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No one will distribute salvo specifically for you to shoot it down, aside from specific cases from extreme range. But such attacks are unlikely.
64-harpoon salvo costs as much as a light frigate, after all, not even counting launch platforms risked to get these missiles in optimal firing position.

Real one will neither five you 60 seconds engagement envelope, nor will give you full ability to exploit engagement tempo(for example, exploiting missile formations) and fire control bandwidth.

p.s. realistic mass attacks involving light ASCMs generally tend to be combined, i.e. ones including both cruise missiles and HARMs.

AndrewS said:

Already had a look at this when I was doing the cost estimate for the Type-55 last year. It's all on an old post in this thread.

The Daring and Burkes are very expensive. See list below.

Daring (1.6 Billion USD)
Arleigh Burke (1.8 Billion USD)
Sejeong AEGIS DDG (0.923 Billion USD)
Kongo AEGIS DDG (approx $1.1 Billion USD)

The Koreans and Japanese do their AEGIS destroyers for around HALF the cost of an Arleigh Burke.
And note they buy the same AEGIS weapons sets

So China building a Type-55 for 6 Billion Yuan (0.88 Billion USD) looks correct.

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What year were the estimates made for the Kongo and Sejong? The Burke estimate is 2011 dollars I see. The last Kongo was launched 1996 so $1.1 billion in 1996 dollars is not comparable to say $0.923 billion in 2011 dollars when the last Sejong was launched. (The actual estimates given here could have been made even earlier such as when a batch was contracted rather than when the last one's in the water.) And those won't be directly comparable to $0.88 billion in 2017 dollars for when the first 055 was launched. And that would make everything sound right to me since I would think Japan has the highest cost, followed by Korea, and with China a distant third here for a comparable item/service. Cus if they were the same year, I would find the Chinese estimate too high or Korean/Japanese estimate too low. Korea and Japan have higher labor costs and use US-imported weapons systems (manufacturing location aside). If China can build a destroyer for X, a comparable design in the same year I would think would cost maybe 1.5X for Korea (considering it specializes in ship-building) and maybe 2.5X for Japan. But that's assuming the designs were comparable; nobody knows what 2017 items they could have packed into the 055 to edge costs up.

The text below is copied from a CNN article (full article can found on cnn.com). It makes me laugh. I think China has never take India as a serious competitor.

Indian media reports have raised alarms over the launch, pointing out the destroyer is superior to any ship yet completed by the Indian Navy.
"The colossal Type 055 is considerably larger and more powerful than India's latest ... destroyers which have still not been commissioned,"

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Before Too Long, We Will See Jiangnan 055 No. 2

SteelBird said:

The text below is copied from a CNN article (full article can found on cnn.com). It makes me laugh. I think China has never take India as a serious competitor.

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China considers the US its only serious rival. You aim up, you go up. You aim down, you go down.

Jeff Head said:

I now am anxiously waiting on the model makers to come out with all fo the following in 1/350 scale

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Model companies must love ships like Zumwalt/055, all these so called stealthy design need literally is plastic blocks, no more delicate small pieces.

To be frank, I can't wait to see the rear VLS section. I cannot rule out the possibility that there could only be 32 VLS in the aft section (given how short the supposed aft VLS section is when one looks from a relatively long distance away), meaning that the 055 could only have similar amount armament to that of the Arleigh Burke Flight IIA. In this sense, the 055 could be considered "under-armed." Nevertheless, one could even argue that the Type 45 Class is under-armed. Still, if there were 48 or more VLSs in the aft VLS section, I would retract my words, especially the word "under-armed".

an interesting thought on the classification of the 055 with regard to its fleet command roles would be to revive the DLG destroyer leader classification which would seem to fit it quite well.

In terms of the cost, with both design bureaus and ship yards being state owned I dont know that there exists a truly comparable market cost for the 055.