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Blackstone

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Ah, but I'm the one who's getting deep into the truth and it's uncomfortable. I like how you used the word "accept" when you used it to describe America's attitude to other people. I would have liked it more if you used another common word, which is "tolerate." Neither word carries the connotation of "embrace." Americans can "accept" foreigners like you have to accept it when a customer pays for $30 in groceries in nickels; you will tolerate that behavior because legally, you must. They made LAWS to protect you form being discriminated against! Why? Because without them, people would chew you up. They have to use laws to stop the people here from from doing unacceptable things to you because they know that it's in their nature to want to discriminate against those who are not like themselves. Are there laws in China to protect Chinese people from being discriminated against? No. Because people don't do that anyway.

Maybe for some/you, it's ok to be superficially respected and tolerated (by most) while leaning on legal protection in the rarer instances, but for others, we will not accept that. We know that for our contributions, we deserve to be embraced and lauded as champions of our society. That comes only in our motherland.
I standby the term "accept" when we talk about Americans' general treatment of difference races, because my over four decades of life experience in the US tells me today, the term acceptance is closer in reality than tolerance.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I standby the term "accept" when we talk about Americans' general treatment of difference races, because my over four decades of life experience in the US tells me today, the term acceptance is closer in reality than tolerance.
Maybe some say it is accept and some say it is tolerate, but it is not "embrace" and it is not "champion" (verb). Depending on the level of their self-value, to some, being tolerated or accepted may seem like a gift as it is. Not to others; most importantly, not to champions.
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
Maybe some say it is accept and some say it is tolerate, but it is not "embrace" and it is not "champion" (verb). Depending on the level of their self-value, to some, being tolerated or accepted may seem like a gift as it is. Not to others; most importantly, not to champions.
It's all of the above. From race "champions" which are fewest in number, to a larger number of Americans who genuinely "embrace" different races, to the majority of Americans who "accept" others, to some who only "tolerates," and then a very few who are racists.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
It's all of the above. From race "champions" which are fewest in number, to a larger number of Americans who genuinely "embrace" different races, to the majority of Americans who "accept" others, to some who only "tolerates," and then a very few who are racists.
That's not what I meant. I meant how people of foreign ethnic background would rate their perceived level of welcome. Most would say accepted or tolerated but many would they they feel discriminated. Very VERY few would say they feel embraced or championed by American society (except beautiful women, but they are being embraced not for their ethnicity LOL). Racism is sometimes unintentional as well; an American may feel that he is celebrating someone else's race but to that person, it could feel like mockery, so there is that level of mis-translation between intent and result that could further confound the complexities between actual and perceived racism.

And also I would reiterate once again, the difference between superficial and deep-seated sentiment. When you said that very few are racist, perhaps that is true on a superficial level in the sense that you don't often meet people who are openly racist to you, but they are being held back by 1. fear of legal issues and 2. cultural norms and civility. That does not mean that deep down, when they're talking with their close trusted friends at exclusive gatherings (that are often all white in a subtly racist way), they don't express to each other how they dislike seeing too many of "you" around. And as I said, they have the right to do that, and I say things to my close friends as well that would ruin my career if I said it at a presentation LOL. But the point I'm driving at is, that level of subtle, hidden racism can make someone feel unwanted and the existence of that level of racism is the difference between being embraced/championed and being tolerated/accepted.
 
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Blackstone

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Oh, then I'll go to jail and I deserve to be there for trying to subvert power from the most competent government in the world (your words), which is treason. But I don't do that and I don't like to cause trouble just like most Chinese people so we have nothing to be worried about in China. (I don't know a single person who has a desire to do that either.) People who want to engage in those trouble-causing activities should absolutely stay away from China. I'm not one of them. So I feel very free there.

Let me be clear: People who want to work hard and contribute to technological advancement should go to China. It is super free and super welcoming for them. People who graduate with "degrees" in human rights and work for NGOs complaining and causing trouble should stay away from China. It is incredibly oppressive to people who contribute nothing but cause trouble. I, just like you, also understand why someone like that would not want to go to China. (But sadly, sometimes they do and the CCP has to expend resources to arrest them. If they were decent humans, they would have been honest on their Visa applications and saved everyone the ordeal.)
The biggest political difference between the PRC and the US is it isn't "treason" to want a different government or to protest peacefully over anything. The fact you think it is treason to peacefully subvert power from the government tells me either you're brainwashed by the Communist Party, or you haven't lived in a free country. Your claim China is "super free" is wrong on facts, as you know you're not free to peacefully protest to kick the CPC out of power.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
That's not what I meant. I meant how people of foreign ethnic background would rate their perceived level of welcome. Most would say accepted or tolerated but many would they they feel discriminated. Very VERY few would say they feel embraced or championed by American society (except beautiful women, but they are being embraced not for their ethnicity LOL). Racism is sometimes unintentional as well; an American may feel that he is celebrating someone else's race but to that person, it could feel like mockery, so there is that level of mis-translation between intent and result that could further confound the complexities between actual and perceived racism.

And also I would reiterate once again, the difference between superficial and deep-seated sentiment. When you said that very few are racist, perhaps that is true on a superficial level in the sense that you don't often meet people who are openly racist to you, but they are being held back by 1. fear of legal issues and 2. cultural norms and civility. That does not mean that deep down, when they're talking with their close trusted friends at exclusive gatherings (that are often all white in a subtly racist way), they don't express to each other how they dislike seeing too many of "you" around. And as I said, they have the right to do that, and I say things to my close friends as well that would ruin my career if I said it at a presentation LOL. But the point I'm driving at is, that level of subtle, hidden racism can make someone feel unwanted and the existence of that level of racism is the difference between being embraced/championed and being tolerated/accepted.
You make arguments that can't be proven one way or the other. Who's to say the majority of Americans that oppose racism are merely "superficial?" Unless you could read minds, you can't possibly know that.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The biggest political difference between the PRC and the US is it isn't "treason" to want a different government or to protest peacefully over anything. The fact you think it is treason to peacefully subvert power from the government tells me either you're brainwashed by the Communist Party, or you haven't lived in a free country. Your claim China is "super free" is wrong on facts, as you know you're not free to peacefully protest to kick the CPC out of power.
The funniest thing about American thinking is that when other people disagree, Americans accuse others of being 1. brainwashed, 2. crazy/terrorist, 3. paid $0.50 to post (because they can't really think differently than the American way). This is the first time someone has said something that ignorant to me on SDF. Congratulations! I grew up since age 2 in NYC and received my graduate education in Georgia.

It is my free opinion that if your government is doing a fantastic job (as the most competent government in the world), and it is critically closing in on its main rival, then it should be illegal to attempt to subvert its power. That would likely cause turmoil and loss of the country's ability to immediately and aggressively pursue its national interest. If that is your desire, then it is treason. In wartime, the American government does not undergo election and martial law may be implemented for that same reason.

I stand by what I said. China, depending on who you are, can be super free. It is super free for those who have Chinese interests in mind. It is super free for those who have no desire to cause trouble. It is highly oppressive to those who wish to cause trouble and take away from China's national interest by crippling its government, which is the most competent on earth (all your words). That's exactly the way I like it. Enemies of the state should never be free to do what they wish to do. It is not super free for all people and I agree on that. So there is absolutely no need for you to keep saying that it's not super free for those who want to oppose the CCP. I know that and I love that.

You make arguments that can't be proven one way or the other. Who's to say the majority of Americans that oppose racism are merely "superficial?" Unless you could read minds, you can't possibly know that.

De facto segregation is a widely-known phenomenon. When all white people hang out together because they're white, they form bonds from hanging out. Then they help each other more because they are pulled closer by both their similarities and their social connections. It's natural; it's not evil. It happens everywhere in every race. If you wanna pretend that none of that's happening just because it's not happening before your eyes with conversations that you can hear, that's your right to stick your head in a hole in the ground. But I don't wanna be a minority in a society where the majority mostly all support each other over me even if it is because of natural de facto segregation.
 
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now noticed (sorry if it's being discussed in some other thread) Fly High: Chinese Solar Drone "Rainbow" Reaches Near Space
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China's Caihong (CH), or Rainbow, solar-powered unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), the country's first near-space solar drone, has successfully conducted a flight at an altitude of 20 km.

The project team under China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation announced Tuesday that the CH UAV, flew smoothly in near space for over 15 hours under control, finishing its scheduled path before landing securely.

The near space region, which lies 20 to 100 km above sea level, contains thin air that reduces the performance of traditional fuel-powered aircraft engines.

However, solar drones like the CH UAV can perform well in this area and it is expected that such aircraft may be able to fly continuously for months or even longer in the future, said Li Guangjia, director of the project.

The CH UAV, with a wingspan of 45 meters equipped with solar panels, boasts a high cost efficiency as it does not require refuelling during long-term missions, said Shi Wen, chief engineer of the project.

Also, the solar-powered feature allows the UAV to generate no air pollution, making it environmentally-friendly, Shi said.

With the success of the CH UAV flight, China has become the third country to master near-space solar drone technology following the United States and the United Kingdom.

The United States has developed solar drones such as the "Helios" and the United Kingdom sent its UAV "Zephyr" to an altitude of over 15 km in 2007.

The CH UAV team said the project has overcome challenges in some key technological fields, such as aerodynamics, flight control and efficient use of energy, during its development.

It has taken over one year to solve the issue of precise control in complicated weather conditions to ensure more reliable flight.

"With the development of the CH UAV, new technologies and products such as graphene-related materials, advanced solar cells and innovative energy storage methods will also be developed and these will further promote China's aviation industry," Shi said.

Great Expectations

According to the project plan, the CH UAV will perform as a "quasi-satellite" in the future, being able to supplant some functions of telecommunication satellites in providing data relay services.

It is also expected to be used as "an airborne mobile Wi-Fi hub" to provide convenient mobile telecommunication and Internet access for remote areas and islands, saving the huge construction and maintenance costs of traditional communication means.

According to Shi, the UAV will also be capable of forestry and agricultural surveying as well as early warning and real-time monitoring of disasters.

"In earthquake, flood or forest fire situations where telecommunications are cut off, such vehicles may provide services to maintain communication with the affected areas," Shi said.
 
There are a lot of partial stories in the past few pages, admittedly with a lot of good points, so here's my two cents to try to complete the picture.

Those countries who cry foul of other countries polluting the world should be charged a carbon tax for consuming the products they import from those countries. Different countries have different pollution standards but there's also the element of taking advantage of the situation (in the form of cheaper cost/price) since developing countries can't be expected to have clean energy sources right off the bat.

Or investing/consuming countries can help invest in and develop clean energy in manufacturing countries which is what's happening in a lot of cases. International, and intranational, carbon trading schemes are also meant to address that.

Possible move by US officials to restrict PRC investments in US AI technology.

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It's a win-win for America and for foreigners who want to immigrate and become Americans. I'm for attracting 'brains' from all over the world, and foreigners studying in our universities are gold mines for us, especially PhD. students in scientific, engineering, and technical fields. As far as I'm concerned, the more the merrier.

This is to make up for US corporations systemically cutting corners investing in American workers and poorer Americans, and cutting cost/investment in workers in general, while lining executive suite and large investor pockets instead. Using immigrant workers legal and illegal is just one more sleight of hand by US corporations turning private costs into public costs using and diluting the relatively high quality of life provided by public goods of being an American as part of the pay package. It's a lose-lose proposition for American workers and poorer Americans.

What cheap stuff? Calling the US racist is cheap??? LOL If you can't go there then you can't have a meaningful discussion. American society, not so much the legal system, heavily favors white people. That's a fact. And I don't say that as a complaint because it's their country, not mine, and they can make the owners feel more at home, no problem. I want China to do the same and hey, China's racist too, but it's not racist against Chinese. That's the main point in attracting Chinese talent.

My guess is that you're right in that more Chinese want to come to the US than those who want to go back. And once again, it's because of any population, the vast majority of its people are useless, carried by the innovations of the few. This is not any kind of insult. Most people live their lives amounting to nothing. (Even highly accomplished people, doctors, lawyers most often amount to nothing and have no footprint other than their ephemeral services consumed by their paying customers.) In the US, if you amount to nothing, you can still have a lot of fun. In China, it's kinda hard to lift your head. But conversely, if you're a driver of innovation, if you have a creative mind that helps push the boundaries of known technology, then in the US, you might only be somewhat better than the guy who amounts to nothing. Part of that is because American society believes more heavily in equality (unions, blue collar workers wanting to make comfortable wages on 40 hour weeks while in China, all the children are taught that if you're not elite, you deserve nothing and your life is worthless) but often, another part of that is because you're just a non-white guy they want to use. In China, if you're Chinese and you drive innovation, they push you to the top of society where you belong. So as I said, for Chinese people, the cut-throat innovators have more to look forward to in China and those who didn't quite make the cut have a more materialistically appreciable life in the US.

The innovations of the few are only possible because the vast majority of "useless" people contribute to providing a quality of life for everyone so that a few even have the opportunity to work hard, and get lucky, to pursue innovation for the benefit of everyone. That's the fundamental social contract everywhere. Try innovating when one has to worry about subsistence and competing with everyone else for subsistence.
 
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