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Blackstone

Brigadier
Yeah but the increase in racism will actually distract them to leave for greener pastures some where else...even in China.
Evidence show the exact opposite as you say; far more non-white immigrants want to come than wish to leave. Come to think of it, you're still living in the US, even with some racism, yes...? If not, then when are you moving back to China?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Not sure if you know the hardest part of becoming a US citizen is getting the Green Card. Once an immigrant has the card, then it takes 5 years for eligiblility to take citizenship test (a very easy examination). So, if foreign students are offered Green Cards and accept, then they're almost guaranteed naturalization, as long as they don't commit serious crimes and so on. The bottom line is it's really easy to become an American, once you receive the Green Card.
Ah, didn't know that. I did not partake. Apologies. Paragraphs 1 and 3 still stand.
Evidence show the exact opposite as you say; far more non-white immigrants want to come than wish to leave. Come to think of it, you're still living in the US, even with some racism, yes...? If not, then when are you moving back to China?
And there are far more useless selfish people than there are brilliant people, and non-white doesn't mean Chinese. It covers many other countries that really don't have national goals or anything to be proud of so there's no reason to go back. Chinese in the US live with racism because they currently have no better options or it's a period of development that they must grind through. The brilliant and achieved always have many many options, often catered to them. From what I can see, the biggest reason for a Chinese person who's highly achieved to remain in the US is if too much of his life in anchored here because it took him too long to move up (huge house, multiple cars, 3 kids in school possibly getting white-washed) and it's too large a hassle to move. In that circumstance, many choose to spend part of their time in China and the other part in the US, making their contributions often remotely.
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
Ah, didn't know that. I did not partake. Apologies. Paragraphs 1 and 3 still stand.
No problem, glad to clear up the Green Card. I agree with your paragraph 1 and ignored 3 due to the racial stuff. I saw it as gratuitous and not worth answering. Seriously, if you really want to have discussions and debates, even strong ones, then consider ditching the cheap stuff. If not, I'll end my part of the dialogue.

And there are far more useless selfish people than there are brilliant people, and non-white doesn't mean Chinese. It covers many other countries that really don't have national goals or anything to be proud of so there's no reason to go back. Chinese in the US live with racism because they currently have no better options or it's a period of development that they must grind through. The brilliant always have many many options, often catered to them.
I don't have recent PRC-specific immigration data in front of me, so I can't say for sure. But, my guess is there are more Chinese from the People's Republic that want to come to the US than those here that want to return, without giving up their US passports I mean.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
No problem, glad to clear up the Green Card. I agree with your paragraph 1 and ignored 3 due to the racial stuff. I saw it as gratuitous and fits just about every country in the world. Seriously, if you really want to have discussions and debates, even strong ones, then consider ditching the cheap stuff. If not, I'll end my part of the dialogue.


I don't have recent PRC-specific immigration data in front of me, so I can't say for sure. But, my guess is there are more Chinese from the People's Republic that want to come to the US than those here that want to return, without giving up their US passports I mean.
What cheap stuff? Calling the US racist is cheap??? LOL If you can't go there then you can't have a meaningful discussion. American society, not so much the legal system, heavily favors white people. That's a fact. And I don't say that as a complaint because it's their country, not mine, and they can make the owners feel more at home, no problem. I want China to do the same and hey, China's racist too, but it's not racist against Chinese. That's the main point in attracting Chinese talent.

My guess is that you're right in that more Chinese want to come to the US than those who want to go back. And once again, it's because of any population, the vast majority of its people are useless, carried by the innovations of the few. This is not any kind of insult. Most people live their lives amounting to nothing. (Even highly accomplished people, doctors, lawyers most often amount to nothing and have no footprint other than their ephemeral services consumed by their paying customers.) In the US, if you amount to nothing, you can still have a lot of fun. In China, it's kinda hard to lift your head. But conversely, if you're a driver of innovation, if you have a creative mind that helps push the boundaries of known technology, then in the US, you might only be somewhat better than the guy who amounts to nothing. Part of that is because American society believes more heavily in equality (unions, blue collar workers wanting to make comfortable wages on 40 hour weeks while in China, all the children are taught that if you're not elite, you deserve nothing and your life is worthless) but often, another part of that is because you're just a non-white guy they want to use. In China, if you're Chinese and you drive innovation, they push you to the top of society where you belong. So as I said, for Chinese people, the cut-throat innovators have more to look forward to in China and those who didn't quite make the cut have a more materialistically appreciable life in the US.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Evidence show the exact opposite as you say; far more non-white immigrants want to come than wish to leave. Come to think of it, you're still living in the US, even with some racism, yes...? If not, then when are you moving back to China?
Why can't I stay and kick out the racist dirtbag instead? Your logic is weird.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Why can't I stay and kick out the racist dirtbag instead? Your logic is weird.
Dude. Because it's not your house. It's his house, or at least it looks like it. Why can't you go home and make your house better than his house? That's what he's most afraid of; he's not scared of people who complain about their treatment in his house while still working for him, making his house stronger so his kids can do the same shit to your kids. He's scared of you turning your house into a castle so your kids can be better than his kids and look down on his kids. And that's why a lot of Chinese people go home and innovate.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
It's not actually "his House" either. It belongs to the Native American!
But that's a technicality, not a reality and the world works in realities. If you're Asian and you lived here for 4 generations, you're still considered foreign because you look foreign. If you're white and you speak good English, you can be American right off the flight. That's the reality because people judge other people for similarity to themselves and the visual aspect is huge.

Unless Stoney has something else he wants to add, let's try to wrap this up. We're in the technology thread. I'm eagerly waiting for June 19th, when the next Top 500 Supercomputer ratings come out, even though this time is supposed to be a cold round for the Chinese since their exascale cpu and quantum cpu aren't ready to compete yet (though far ahead of everyone else).
 
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Blackstone

Brigadier
Why can't I stay and kick out the racist dirtbag instead? Your logic is weird.
It's a free country and you may hold and express publicly any opinion you wish. Incidentally, that's something you can't get in the People's Republic of China, so I understand why you wouldn't want to go back.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
It's a free country and you may hold and express publicly any opinion you wish. Incidentally, that's something you can't get in the People's Republic of China, so I understand why you wouldn't want to go back.

No it isn't. That "free country" has been a cliche for decades. Especially when it ran by special interest groups and lobbyist. Self expression has been done by China and many other ancient civilizations before so it's nothing new.
 
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