China's Westward One Belt One Road Strategy

tidalwave said:

Burma is going back to China. It really disappointed that it initially turned away from China and toward the west. But after all said and done, No or every little western investment to show for in the country. On top of that, Burma got blasted internationally for its treatment of minority muslim in rakhime state.

It feels it fooled by the west , so now it going back to China.

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A more likely scenario is Myanmar is working the China angle, because it's in its current interest to do so, and once its interest changes and turning West is more advantages, then it will realign with the West. There's nothing wrong or unusual about Myanmar's motives and/or actions.

Blackstone said:

A more likely scenario is Myanmar is working the China angle, because it's in its current interest to do so, and once its interest changes and turning West is more advantages, then it will realign with the West. There's nothing wrong or unusual about Myanmar's motives and/or actions.

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wrong.

read this.

tidalwave said:

wrong.

read this.

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I think one should see things always change including relationships of countries. Myanmar has its own interest, it will act according to that, not necessarily always pro-China nor pro-West, it is always pro-Self.

Sino-Myanmar relationship was not always rosy. The recent swing by the Myanmar government was only one of the many. If you read the history, not long ago, in the late 1700s Qing (China) and Konbaung Dynasty (Myanmar) fought a long bloody war because of Myanmar's ambition of conquering Siam (Thailand), a tributary of Qing challenging Qing's position in SEA. At that time, there is no westerner to blame, nor for Myanmar to pro.

I don't glorify the Qing's war against Myanmar at the time, nor do I agree with Myanmar's adventure to invade Thailand back then, I hope these kind of wars never happens, but reality is countries have different interest and they collides. To avoid them and make a long lasting good neighborhood one should drop the mindset of "you are either with me or against me". BTW, the guy who made this out loud is the worst modern politician in my opinion.

tidalwave said:

wrong.

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Show me where in your linked article disproves my claim Myanmar is acting on its interests and those interests may change in the future?

Blackstone said:

A more likely scenario is Myanmar is working the China angle, because it's in its current interest to do so, and once its interest changes and turning West is more advantages, then it will realign with the West. There's nothing wrong or unusual about Myanmar's motives and/or actions.

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Well exactly what is Myanmar interest ? If you mean economical interest like investment and trade , China is the only game in town.
Myanmar bet that by tilting to the west, automatically the investment will flow . I think they are wrong

Most western company work on short term horizon and they are run by MBA apparatchik who insist on guarantee profit, Legal certainty and transparent business deal

All of them are in short supply in developing country like Myanmar.

Chinese investor are braver. they used to a corrupt system, Using personal connection in lieu of legal certainty. Think in long term instead of short term horizon

Another thing there are so many overseas Chinese in Myanmar that can act as middle man or interlocutor

Plus of course Chinese government has deep pocket that few in the west can match

So I am not surprise at all that Myanmar is pivoting back to China. As I say it is the only game in town

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Hendrik_2000 said:

Well exactly what is Myanmar interest ? If you mean economical interest like investment and trade , China is the only game in town.
Myanmar bet that by tilting to the west, automatically the investment will flow . I think they are wrong

Most western company work on short term horizon and they are run by MBA apparatchik who insist on guarantee profit, Legal certainty and transparent business deal

All of them are in short supply in developing country like Myanmar.

Chinese investor are braver. they used to a corrupt system, Using personal connection in lieu of legal certainty. Think in long term instead of short term horizon

Another thing there are so many overseas Chinese in Myanmar that can act as middle man or interlocutor

Plus of course Chinese government has deep pocket that few in the west can match

So I am not surprise at all that Myanmar is pivoting back to China. As I say it is the only game in town

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Both Myanmar's previous military Junta and its new civilian government dipped their toes in Western water for less reliance on China. Unfortunately for the Burmese, China is the only country writing huge checks, and the West currently don't have the resources to match. The competing interests of relying on China to pull Myanmar out of poverty, and on the US to keep it safe are out of balance, but it doesn't mean Myanmar doesn't see both as important interests.

Blackstone said:

Both Myanmar's previous military Junta and its new civilian government dipped their toes in Western water for less reliance on China. Unfortunately for the Burmese, China is the only country writing huge checks, and the West currently don't have the resources to match. The competing interests of relying on China to pull Myanmar out of poverty, and on the US to keep it safe are out of balance, but it doesn't mean Myanmar doesn't see both as important interests.

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Yes, China is the only country which is really willing to invest in Myanmar.

It's not really about the West having the resources to match China, but China being so much closer to Myanmar than a distant West.

Yunnan province alone has 46million people, and it makes economic sense for them to have an outlet to the Indian Ocean for trade purposes. And along that trade corridor flows China investments.

Plus the US can't keep Myanmar safe.

It is China's influence over the unhappy border tribes/peoples in Myanmar that will determine whether Myanmar is safe and stable.

Blackstone said:

Both Myanmar's previous military Junta and its new civilian government dipped their toes in Western water for less reliance on China. Unfortunately for the Burmese, China is the only country writing huge checks, and the West currently don't have the resources to match. The competing interests of relying on China to pull Myanmar out of poverty, and on the US to keep it safe are out of balance, but it doesn't mean Myanmar doesn't see both as important interests.

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No man, Myanmar doesn't need US to keep it safe. That's not what it wants. It wants US money, & investment, and market for its products. It thought US has more money and that's why it turned against China initially. But they were wrong.

If US can't give it, then forget it.

tidalwave said:

No man, Myanmar doesn't need US to keep it safe. That's not what it wants. It wants US money, & investment, and market for its products. It thought US has more money and that's why it turned against China initially. But they were wrong.

If US can't give it, then forget it.

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Myanmar, like all of China's neighbors, want some strategic maneuvering space, and for small powers like Myanmar, it means playing great powers against each other. The Burmese military junta turned towards US to lessen its reliance on China, and the fact junta leaders couldn't get what they want from Washington doesn't change their original motivation.