CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Richard Santos

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Have you even ever been to China? The cities and outskirts are pretty clean. City Streets are swept everyday by an army of council workers and city streets washed and swept by mechanical sweepers. The big problem is the water and air pollution not filthy rubbish clogged rivers and river mouths. By the way I live in Sydney, one of the most beautiful harbour city in the world but if you look hard enough you will find rubbish in the water

I have. In 2015. Cleanliness is relative.

Have you looked into the Huangpu river right under the iconic pudong skyline that looks so pristine in glossy posters? You are unlikely to find rivers that streaming with discarded flotsam in most of the developed world.

Also, the streets in Shanghai may be washed and swept once a day, but the amount of debris and detritus customarily tossed offhandedly by the residents are such that the streets are nonetheless more littered by far than is commonly encountered in most developed cities.
 

Dannhill

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I have to disagree. I am living in China for the past 4 years and I can see the effort put into pollution and environmental control taking place with my own eyes.
Anyang is my adopted city and Henan is considered the most polluted province in China.
Anyang river is just 500m from my home and when I first came to live in this city it was a dead muddy river bed. Today it's a living water and very clean when compared to its past not too long ago.
Street cleaning cycle is not once a day. It's 24 hours with shifts.
In August last year my wife and I toured jiangnan and marvelled at the glossy skyscraper Shanghai. As tourists we walked along Shanghai Bund, and at night went on the river cruise.
At no instance did we see streets, roads, river cluttered with rubbish. This is the same in the other cities we visited; Ningbo, Nanjing, Suzhou, Hangzhou. They are all very clean, and being a Singaporean I have standards to compare what is clean.
So the China that you know is not the China that I am living in.

I have. In 2015. Cleanliness is relative.

Have you looked into the Huangpu river right under the iconic pudong skyline that looks so pristine in glossy posters? You are unlikely to find rivers that streaming with discarded flotsam in most of the developed world.

Also, the streets in Shanghai may be washed and swept once a day, but the amount of debris and detritus customarily tossed offhandedly by the residents are such that the streets are nonetheless more littered by far than is commonly encountered in most developed cities.
 

KIENCHIN

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The water look clean and no rubbish .... I thought Western medias almost always portrait China as dirty place, full of pollution and the air was so dirty .. the reality is ... not even close :p
Antiterror my friend, if I can give another like to this post I will for you hit the subject matter right on the nail. Just look at the nitpicking it has attracted. The sad thing is you can't stop everyone from being a tosser, the Parramatta river which drains into the Sydney Harbour at low tide would find the mangrove forest full of rubbish.
 

antiterror13

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Antiterror my friend, if I can give another like to this post I will for you hit the subject matter right on the nail. Just look at the nitpicking it has attracted. The sad thing is you can't stop everyone from being a tosser, the Parramatta river which drains into the Sydney Harbour at low tide would find the mangrove forest full of rubbish.

exactly ... the harbour is cleaner than a few New Zealand sea .. and definitely cleaner than some part of Cairns or Brisbane
 

Blitzo

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Pop3 leaked 002's normal displacement;
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The PLAN does not give values for standard nor full displacement, but normal displacement.

What is the difference between standard and normal displacement?

If "normal" displacement corresponds to "standard" displacement used elsewhere, then I think for 68,000 tons a full displacement of slightly below 80,000 tons sounds quite sensible.
 

Blitzo

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What would the Liaoning's be.

for what it's worth, the defence ministry has referred to 001A as a "50,000 ton" carrier before...
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The new carrier has been designed in China and will have a displacement of 50,000 metric tons, a conventional power system, and will carry domestically developed J-15 fighter jets and other ship-borne aircraft, Yang said.

though strangely enough the defence ministry has errorneously supposedly said 001a would have a "full" displacement of 50,000 tons
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According to data from China's defense ministry, the Type 001A is conventionally powered, with a full-load displacement of 50,000 tons. It "will be the base for J-15 fighters and other types of aircraft," said Yang Yujun, a spokesperson for China's defense ministry.
 
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