Russia have a new similar
AK-630M-2 Duet
F-22P and 053 series
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AK-630M-2 Duet
The 630M2 duet consists of one rotary barrel on top of another barrel in the same gun mount, which is not how the new PLAN CIWS is set up.
-- sorry for truncated quote, just want to highlight
I like Henri K excellent summary of CIWS in PLAN. A very comprehensive one.
However,
1. There is talk on internet that this new CIWS is not an derivative of HPJ-11/12 families, but instead from HPJ-13 (i.e. 6 tubes, not 7 tubes). I tend to buy in it as that turret on two sides of the barrel is not just "more stealthy" but thinner than, e.g. HPJ-12B for export. Just want to discuss about this possibility. I fully agree with your analysis of all other fronts in economy and technical.
2. In addition to the 5+1 models you had listed, PLAN seems to have even more small-caliber guns, old or new.
Here we have some 25mm(?) gun on several mine sweeper vessel (type 082, 082II) -
Class 082II, #804 Huo-Chiu, commissioned 2005. Can not enhance the pic, but obviously it's using gun type 61 25mm:
And we have same class of #811 Jung Cheng
Can't enhanced pic, either. It got a remote control gun, of 25mm(?)
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(PLAN CIWS, cont'd)
For old CIWS, do not forget those 76A and 76F on many LST, mine sweepers, or the remaining 053H2G
Type 081 #805 Chang Chia Gang
LST 911
053H2G #542 Tong Ling
That can already add number of models to close to 10.
As far as I know, even for those 30mm guns, for example HPJ-11/12 versus HPJ-13, their ammo do not have commonality.
-- of course we may argue some of them are not CIWS, but just traditional gun. But I can hardly imagine the logistics issue behind PLAN supply chain.
Which comes to my last point - want to hear from you & other members about the trend of PLAN CIWS. is it going to simplify (but then we got new model on 053H3 MLU)?
For old CIWS, do not forget those 76A and 76F on many LST, mine sweepers, or the remaining 053H2G
Type 081 #805 Chang Chia Gang
LST 911
053H2G #542 Tong Ling
That can already add number of models to close to 10.
As far as I know, even for those 30mm guns, for example HPJ-11/12 versus HPJ-13, their ammo do not have commonality.
-- of course we may argue some of them are not CIWS, but just traditional gun. But I can hardly imagine the logistics issue behind PLAN supply chain.
Which comes to my last point - want to hear from you & other members about the trend of PLAN CIWS. is it going to simplify (but then we got new model on 053H3 MLU)?
Why are those steaming junk piles still being kept a float ?
Lethe
Captain
There are still 6x 053H1s (c. 1982-1987) to be retired before the 053H2 (c. 1990), so it probably has another five years left.
The 053H1Q (c. 1985) is a training ship now. I expect it too will stick around for at least another five years unless replaced by a new-build, dedicated training vessel. The next small, hanger-equipped vessel that could take over the role is 053H3 (c. 1998-2005). The 052s (c. 1994-1996) are older, but also larger and more expensive to run (gas turbines), so PLAN probably wouldn't want to use them as training ships.
The 053H1Q (c. 1985) is a training ship now. I expect it too will stick around for at least another five years unless replaced by a new-build, dedicated training vessel. The next small, hanger-equipped vessel that could take over the role is 053H3 (c. 1998-2005). The 052s (c. 1994-1996) are older, but also larger and more expensive to run (gas turbines), so PLAN probably wouldn't want to use them as training ships.
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She have 27 and 32 years not completely " burn out "Why are those steaming junk piles still being kept a float ?