Yuan Class AIP & Kilo Submarine Thread

Iron Man

Major
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It feels like things are getting way off topic and fast descending to the level of a pride driven pissing contest for some.
Maybe you'd like to name names and point out specifics. You on the other hand have a proven track record of "pride driven pissing" on this forum, so your statement here is about as laughable as an alcoholic calling someone else a "drunkard".

Something to consider is that any system is only as good as its weakest link.

For the USN, the weak link isn't Aegis or MK42s, but rather radar illuminators their Burkes and Ticos are dependent on.

Such illuminators have a hard capped simultaneous engagement limit even with time sharing and other modern developments and improvements.

You can pump SAMs out as fast as you like, but if your illuminators can only illuminate X bogies, you are only going to be able to engage those X bogies even if you have 10 times as many missiles in your VLS tubes ready to go.
This statement reveals your obvious lack of understanding of USN CSG missile engagements and hardware. The Mk99 FCRs on the Burkes and Ticos are incapable of "time sharing" since they are purely mechanically slewed illuminators that are slaved to the SPY-1 radar. Time sharing is the exclusive domain of ESAs like the APAR, PAAMS, and Sampson, of which the Mk99 is most definitely NOT a member.

With Aegis and VLS in play, but relaying on SARH and illuminators (which are being replaced by ARH missiles, but slowly, so the backbone of the USN fleet air defence will remain SARH for years at least); the Tomcat having been scrapped in favour of the slow F18 and slower F35; and vastly increased range and/or speed of AShMs, the best bet to saturate USN fleet defences is a focused, uni-directional massive missile wave that puts all the pressure on single escorts or even single illuminators rather than spreading the same number of missiles so the entire enemy fleet could all engage at maximum effectiveness at the same time.
A unidirectional attack is most definitely the best way to ensure maximum effectiveness of Aegis warships. Good job there.

First of all, it is utterly ludicrous to try and isolate a Burke or Tico so that only one of their FCRs is available. It is actually physically impossible with a Tico, and a Burke's frontal arc is the only quadrant with a single FCR. If a missile wave is approaching from the frontal aspect, the Burke can simply turn the ship to easily and immediately expose all 3 of its illuminators to the incoming missile wave. How are you going to prevent that except by wishful thinking??? LOL

Second, as I said before, the Mk99 FCR is a mechanically slewed illuminator. It is active during the last couple seconds of an air defense missile's terminal attack phase by lighting up the target so that the SARH-guided SM-2 or ESSM can zero in on the exact location of the target based on the illumination bouncing off the target and getting picked up by the SM-2/ESSM. The closer the incoming targets are bunched together, the faster and more efficiently the Mk99 can do its job of illuminating one target after another (more time illuminating, less time slewing). If all the missiles are coming in from the same direction, all 3 Mk99s will be slewed towards that direction and will rapidly pick off one target after another in quick succession. If on the other hand incoming missiles are all arriving at the same time but from several different directions, the Mk99 illuminators will be severely strained to slew from one target to another in time to intercept all the incoming targets. In that case you may have at most one Mk99 available to intercept targets from a given direction (and maybe not even one), and could potentially overwhelm its mechanical capabilities with enough missiles.

Third, you totally forgot (or didn't even understand) that OTH engagements don't involve the Mk99 illuminator at all. The SM-2IIIB (currently the standard iteration) has an IR sensor that can target contacts independently of any external sensor or can be guided by direction from the Hawkeye. The SM-6 can also be guided by the Hawkeye or can independently target contacts via its active radar homing sensor. These missiles will in fact start the engagement hundreds of km before the Mk99 can even get involved.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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Any chance one of these maybe for Pakistan, if it is it would throw India into a tail spin.

Pakistan's first 039 will be delivered in 2022.

The 039C could be ready for induction by that time.
Yes exact no for Pakistan construction start later first delivered for about 2020 the 4 of the first batch build inChina delivered for 2023 so considering 1 by year 2020 - 2023.

The 2nd batch of 4 is build in Pakistan the last delivered for 2028.

Ofc date/years under reservations.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
recent Samsung battery fiasco were made by Japanese and Korean

There was also a Chinese subcontractor I believe.

But the proper, second investigation revealed the primary cause of the battery fires was to do with the design of the battery, rather than down to manufacturing defects, which is why batteries from all the subcontractors caught fire.
 
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