China Coast Guard and Patrol vessels

Blitzo

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Probably because even the largest ship in Chinese CG fleet had bulbous bow to save some money up to this point. Now I see big guns (used mainly aboard warships) and lack of of bulbous bow (which says something, at least for me as no one had pointed that out earlier) in those projects. There's no logical reason for doing that. And remember that Chinese CG cutters had a history of clashing with almost every CG of it's naval neighbours. I can't remember reading about US CG in the same manner...

76mm gun is hardly unprecedented for coast guard cutters. USCG's Hamilton class were armed with them.
If you really want to talk about warship grade weapons, you should look at the USCG's Legend class cutters which have Phalanx CIWS for crying out loud, which is a much more navy-exclusive weapon compared to DP cannons and autocannons.

As for supposed lack of bulbous bow -- again, ships with or without bulbous bow can all do intimidation and ramming.


You're really better off arguing that the entire CCG is capable of doing intimidation and ramming than trying to say that ships without bulbous bows are somehow meant for ramming or more meant for ramming than without.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
All of them are capable of that. And none place in Bohai Sea can't be reached from the coastline (Korean or Chinese, whatever) to bring the rescue teams to the ship trapped in thick ice.

Think about a better argument. Russian, Canadian, Japanese and US coast guard cutters are designed to bring the help to ships in distress in the thick ice thousands of miles away from the shores. There's no logical reason for that aboard Chinese CG cutters. Unless they will claim new land in the Arctic Sea.

Try again.Thanks for your reasonable input to the dicussion. Full of arguments... I'm surprised.

Nope, 76mm gun doesn't help to break ice if you had thought about that opportunity to reply.

Trying to be snarky is not going to help your argument.

Icebreakers are called in from elsewhere to break ice to free trawlers whenever the sea freezes.
 

joshuatree

Captain
Bulbous bows are most efficient in saving the energy. At the higher speeds the drag is growing exponentially to the hull's speed and it takes more energy to make it happen. Bulbous bow was implemented as a way to bring it to the minimum. I think that those are made for intimidation. Not against Japanese or Soth Korean CG's as they won't be afraid to reply but more for South China Sea. And the fishing boats out there.

I'm more surprised that no one here noticed that.

A 'cannon fodder' isn't a compliment in the Navy...


Again, bulbous bows are most efficient when a vessel larger than 15 meters at the waterline operate most or all of the time at its max speed. If these class of vessels are mission specific to low speeds, then lacking a bulbous bow is nothing eye raising. Furthermore, Bltizo showed a very clear and nice pic of a Legend cutter with no bulbous bow but of course, you have your rationale why it's A-OK for the US CG, not China's CG. There may not be snow in the SCS but China does have presence in Antarctica and growing interests in the Arctic. The Legend class also sports a 57mm gun that happens to be used on US warships too (LCS) . Canadian Halifax frigates use them too. Another rebuttal to your concern about big guns. I can definitely say you are not someone who has the inside scoop on what China's CG plans are, all you have is your speculation with a full tilt of bias.

And China's CG is not afraid of replying to the Japanese or SK CG. Your continued need to make these non-productive snickers project a sense of insecurity from you. That's all I get when I read such comments.

This is a CG thread, not Navy.
 

Preux

Junior Member
World shipbuilding is not exactly news, comrade. The top Korea shipbuiders for example are dead in the water, looking to cut close to a quarter of their workforce, and they aren't even half way through.

Though it still rather escapes me how you came by that conclusion from the above photograph.
 

delft

Brigadier
I'm far more concerned about the absence of bulbous bow in those ships. Made for ramming?
The rams fitted to new naval ships after the Battle of Lissa ( 1866 ) resembled bulbous bows more than the bows of CCG ships
 
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Franklin

Captain
Check it out

Scores of cutters

But look the 2 x 600 ton cutters for PMSA
(Pakistan maritime security agency)

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On the left corner of that photo you can see Type 818 (Type 054A) CCG-46301 all cleaned up and ready to go out to sea.
World shipbuilding is not exactly news, comrade. The top Korea shipbuiders for example are dead in the water, looking to cut close to a quarter of their workforce, and they aren't even half way through.

Though it still rather escapes me how you came by that conclusion from the above photograph.
Global trade is down and China is now doing more business over land using trains in the so called OBOR project. I suppose China is now using the rock bottom prices the shipyards offers to build up her navy and coast guards on the cheap.
 

joshuatree

Captain
Check it out

Scores of cutters

But look the 2 x 600 ton cutters for PMSA
(Pakistan maritime security agency)

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PMSS Hingol and PMSS Basol

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