CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

Intrepid said:

Pri-Fly is on the aft end of the island, same as Liaoning. Same size.
Captains bridge is one deck higher as Liaoning.
Flagg bridge is new.

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This is the illustration I was referring to. Don't know how accurate it is.

Smaller navigation bridge on top. New flag/squadron command bridge below it. Widened flight bridge aft.

This is the way I have seen the two Islands described in the past (and they clearly come from the picture you just provided).

Pretty soon we will see how accurate these are.

I believe the Phased Arrays are going to be a little different than shown here...but we will know soon enough.

Iron Man said:

Hmm, it looks like pri-fly is still at the stern of the island. That 3rd level must be the flag bridge, and the 4th level is the new navigation bridge.

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Where else would the pri fly be at? Lol

SinoSoldier said:

At this point, it's not unrealistic to expect a launch within a couple of months, give or take.

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I think it is.

More like 4-6 months is my guess.

They have a LOT of work to do within the island alone.

They have the elevators to lift and integrate.

They have a lot of work on the sponsons for the armament and defensive systems.

And internally, it is likely that there is a lot of wiring still to be done.

Anyhow, time will tell...but IMHO, two months (meaning before the end of the year) is simply too aggressive.

Like I said, April or May 2017 would be more likely to me (and that is a phenomenal rate in and of itself, it's not like it is any slight to the Chinese). To take their first indigenous carrier and go from keel laying to launch in 30 onths or just less is pretty phenomenal...which is what April-May would be).

I may well be proven wrong, and if so, all the better for the PLAN.

kwaigonegin said:

Where else would the pri fly be at? Lol

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On type 002 above the captains bridge on the forward part of the island.

kwaigonegin said:

Where else would the pri fly be at? Lol

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Pri-fly on Nimitz carriers are at the front of the island. There is an additional windowed level on the island of CV-17 that was not present on CV-16's island.

I know it's noob question but how come the conventionally powered Brazilian São Paulo doesn't need such a big boiler or island?

Jeff Head said:

I think it is.

More like 4-6 months is my guess.

They have a LOT of work to do within the island alone.

They have the elevators to lift and integrate.

They have a lot of work on the sponsons for the armament and defensive systems.

And internally, it is likely that there is a lot of wiring still to be done.

Anyhow, time will tell...but IMHO, two months (meaning before the end of the year) is simply too aggressive.

Like I said, April or May 2017 would be more likely to me (and that is a phenomenal rate in and of itself, it's not like it is any slight to the Chinese). To take their first indigenous carrier and go from keel laying to launch in 30 onths or just less is pretty phenomenal...which is what April-May would be).

I may well be proven wrong, and if so, all the better for the PLAN.

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All of those things could be done at the same time. The main pressure on this ship to launch would be dry dock time which is expensive, so if it is seaworthy, has paint up past the waterline, and all the heavy structures have been installed, it could very well get launched. The island, the engines and the flight deck pieces are really the last additions that would benefit from the dry dock's full gantry crane. We have already seen many ships (e.g. 052Ds) launch without all their radars or other hardware installed so the little details like radars and internal wiring don't need to be done in dry dock when they could easily be done at pierside. IMO when the last holes on the flight deck are finished is when we should be imminently expecting a launch.

Iron Man said:

All of those things could be done at the same time. The main pressure on this ship to launch would be dry dock time which is expensive, so if it is seaworthy, has paint up past the waterline, and all the heavy structures have been installed, it could very well get launched. The island, the engines and the flight deck pieces are really the last additions that would benefit from the dry dock's full gantry crane. We have already seen many ships (e.g. 052Ds) launch without all their radars or other hardware installed so the little details like radars and internal wiring don't need to be done in dry dock when they could easily be done at pierside. IMO when the last holes on the flight deck are finished is when we should be imminently expecting a launch.

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Well, having watched them build the Liaoning from inception, and having watched them build each of the LPDs and most of the DDGs, I will stand by my own forecast.

We'll see what happens...but I SERIOUSLY doubt any launch before the 1st of the year, and expect it to be April May time frame for the official launch.

Time will tell soon enough.

Either way, they will have done a good job getting their 1st indigenous carrier out in that time frame.

BTW, here's how most Type 052Ds have launched...with almost all of the major systems in place. Oh, they outfitted them alright afterwards, with plenty to do, but not nearly to the effect implied earlier:



That last ones says it best...showing it as it comes out of the hall.

I expect this carrier to be completed to the same type of standard and that it may well by April-May as I have said. We shall see.

Iron Man said:

Pri-fly on Nimitz carriers are at the front of the island. There is an additional windowed level on the island of CV-17 that was not present on CV-16's island.

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Yes I know where it is on the Nimitz class .... Nimitz, Ford etc is diff cause the island is much smaller and the perch above the bridge allows almost unhindered look at the entire flight deck and the airspace surrounding the carrier.

Since liaoning and this carrier has a massive island superstructure and equally big stack it may make more sense to place it aft to better observe landings and traps.