Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

kriss

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And I can give you two instances that this line has long been crossed, and both are poorly kept secret:

The Pave-Paw radar on Taiwan is operated by US military personnel, raw data fed directly back to US home soil, then Taiwan got "shared " with selected, processed data;
"Operation Starlight", training service agreement made between ROC (back when it was the recognized representative of China) and Singapore, which the former plays host to Singapore military personnel, while the latter will pay for whatever services rendered by the host.

At least the latter the PRC, even after established diplomatic ties, tolerated it so long as it stays low key.

And you should know the DPP, they just love to throw crap at Beijing everyday and twice on Sunday. So what's so unthinkable for Tsai to go further?

By saying military presence I mean something like a garrison ,an airbase, or a home harbor of fleets, an active unit which can project it's power for the origin country's interest, like the nato base in turkey. Yes, technically those are military assets and/or personal but you wouldn't really call, for example, the chinese observatory in argentina (which has a lot of servicemen and military hardware) chinese military presence in south america, do you?

As for taiwanese politicians, it's not easy to predict what they will do. Politic environment on the island is kind of, well, random.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
And I can give you two instances that this line has long been crossed, and both are poorly kept secret:

The Pave-Paw radar on Taiwan is operated by US military personnel, raw data fed directly back to US home soil, then Taiwan got "shared " with selected, processed data;
"Operation Starlight", training service agreement made between ROC (back when it was the recognized representative of China) and Singapore, which the former plays host to Singapore military personnel, while the latter will pay for whatever services rendered by the host.

At least the latter the PRC, even after established diplomatic ties, tolerated it so long as it stays low key.

And you should know the DPP, they just love to throw crap at Beijing everyday and twice on Sunday. So what's so unthinkable for Tsai to go further?

Any US persons around the Pave Paw are almost certainly contractors, actually (military personnel would require some sort of immunity agreement).
 

siegecrossbow

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RIP.

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A Taiwanese armoured vehicle has plunged from a three-metre bridge in heavy rain after a military drill, killing three soldiers, officials say.

The CM11 armoured vehicle carrying five soldiers was returning to base when it fell into the Wangsha river in Pingtung county in the south of the country.

The driver and tank captain survived.

The drill was part of preparations for next week's annual Han Kuang military exercise. President Tsai Ing-wen has sent her condolences.

The CM11 was returning from a firing test at about 10:30 local time (02:30 GMT) when an apparent mechanical failure in one of the tracks left the driver unable to make a required left turn, the army said.

The driver was able to escape with light injuries.

The four others were pulled unresponsive from the vehicle. The captain was revived and later taken to a military hospital in neighbouring Kaohsiung city.

The soldiers reportedly belonged to the Eighth Army Command.

President Tsai demanded a speedy investigation into the cause of the incident.

She is scheduled to preside over the military exercises, which simulate possible attacks by Beijing.
 

Jeff Head

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Condoloensces to the families and loved ones. God rest the departed.

A couple of months ago, at Ft. Hood in Texas, several soldiers were also killed when their vehicle was caught up in a flash flood during training.

Even in peace time exercises, being a part of the military can be a dangerous business.
 

ahojunk

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2016-08-29 13:21 | Xinhua Editor: Wang Fan

A petty officer surnamed Kao has been charged with negligent homicide in a case involving a Taiwan military missile misfire on July 1, Kaohsiung District Prosecutors Office said Monday.

A chief petty officer who supervised Kao, and an officer responsible for the ship's weapon systems have been indicted for dereliction of duty, according to prosecutors.

The missile was erroneously launched from a corvette battleship in Zuoying Harbor in Kaohsiung, island authorities said. It fell into the waters off Penghu Island after hitting a fishing boat, killing the captain and injuring three of the crew.

Island authorities blamed the misfire on failure of personnel to follow procedures during a test.
 

FORBIN

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Sikorsky wins new order from Taiwan for 24 UH-60M Black Hawk helicopters

Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation, a subsidiary of Lockheed Martin, has been awarded a $135,400,000 modification to a previous foreign military sales contract for 24 UH-60M uniquely configured Black Hawk tactical transport helicopters, the US DoD announced yesterday August 31 on its website.
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FORBIN

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On the earlier point made about Taiwan countering J20s with anti stealth radars and upgraded F16s. Well that simply won't work for 2 reasons.

1) Taiwan doesn't have any anti stealth radars
2) Taiwan has zero strategic depth.

Anti-stealth radars work for China because geography and strategic depth means China will start any conflict with those radars way out of range of most enemy weapons (and things like cruise missiles could be easily defended against if the enemy was foolish enough to try and hit high value targets with those only, but a more co-ordinated attack would put enemy manned assets in harms way).

The enemy will have to physically close with the Chinese mainland in order to try and engage those radars with any chance of success, allowing Chinese air defences the time and distance needed to detect stealth targets and vector friendlies to intercept.

Even if you put anti-stealth radars on Taiwan, as soon as they light up, the PLA will be able to detect them and attack them with land based weapons without having to send any stealth fighters anywhere near them.

Even if Taiwan somehow manages to keep one or two radars safe, it cannot shoot and scoot with its airports. Being able to detect J20s while having all your fancy new F16Vs destroyed or grounded won't do you much good either.

Any realistic Taiwan scenario will see J20s hand back taking pot shots with BVRAAMs while Chinese cruise and ballistic missiles lays waste to all airfields and long stretches of highway on Taiwan.

Any ROCAF F16s that get airborne will have the unenviable choice of flying into the teeth of Chinese air defences to try and engage 5th gen stealth fighters; or hang back over friendly SAM umbrellas while their home bases and all alternative runways are destroyed.

The PLAAF can literally just fly circles over the Chinese coast for a few hours and wait for the ROCAF fighters to either come to them, in which case they will face not only a technologically and numerically superior PLAAF, but also be fully engaged by both land and naval based Chinese air defences; or for the ROCAF fighters to run out of fuel with nowhere to land and crash without the PLAAF pilots having to fire a single shot.

After the air threat is neutralised, the PLA will just send swarms of their new armed drones across.

Now people might see what China's radar drones are all about - there is no need to go actively hunting for SAMs when the PLA can put a persistent 24/7 real time anti radiation drone net over all of Taiwan, with manned fast jets acting as QRF.

You can have maybe 1-2 radar drone passively scanning for any radar emissions with 5-10 nearby regular drones datalinked to it(them), ready to instantly strike any radiating targets the radar drone flags up.

Any time a radar lights up, it is risking near immediate attack from a patrolling drone.

Even if a SAM battery shoots down the drones, it just pinpointed its position for PLAAF Wild weasels to come pay them a visit, potentially within minutes of them lighting up.

Any attempt to hold a beach during a PLA rolling artillery barrage; with a hundred armed PLA drones overhead providing live targeting data for every metre of the target beach; and/or directly engaging high value targets of opportunity with their own weapons... Well, shooting fish in a barrel really springs to mind.

If it really came to it, China will be able to overwhelm Taiwan's defences far quicker, and with far fewer losses than most western pundits would dream possible.

But that is drifting off topic again.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Richard Fisher at Strategy Center suggested the Taiwan buy a bunch of MALD "smart cruise missiles/drones" with 50kg (or was it lb?) warheads for counterinvasion purposes.

Though that begs the question of why can't the PLA also send Sino MALDs across the Straits.
 

MwRYum

Major
Richard Fisher at Strategy Center suggested the Taiwan buy a bunch of MALD "smart cruise missiles/drones" with 50kg (or was it lb?) warheads for counterinvasion purposes.

Though that begs the question of why can't the PLA also send Sino MALDs across the Straits.
Then they'd need to buy not just a bunch but enough to deploy as a swarm from ground-based platforms...but need to remind everyone that MALD including all the proposed off-shots are all air-launched, that means ROCAF must have all their assets in the air ready for such attack profile, taking assets otherwise available for air-superiority tasking.

Also, unit of such low payload (MALD-V is the modular version that can be deployed as mini cruise missile with the proper payload) facing something like an invasion fleet would need to operate in swarm logic networked-AI for maximum effectiveness, while such technology has been demonstrated with small drones, proving its feasibility, it has yet been properly integrated into military applications / platforms.

In other words, there's no COTS for Taiwan to shop for a plug-and-play solution. For a solution to reach deployable will likely take a full decade to materialise.

And China? They've demonstrated such networked-AI earlier, questions are how long it'd take it to reach weapon-grade level, as well as deployed in what role:
SEAD/DEAD?
Blockade underground bunkers by destroying the entrance?
Hunter-killer against ROCN patrol ships and corvettes?
 
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