Anyone who wishes to invade China or any other major nuclear power wants to end of human civilization, that's the meaning of being a major nuclear power, that's the type of security having nukes and the ability to deliver them affords you. That's also why I think having gargantuan sub transporters is unrealistic--the only nations that require such weapons to invade are ones that you can't invade, because it'll be the end of the world.
strategic value of having a fleet of tank/troop transport subs.
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Anyone who wishes to invade China or any other major nuclear power wants to end of human civilization, that's the meaning of being a major nuclear power, that's the type of security having nukes and the ability to deliver them affords you. That's also why I think having gargantuan sub transporters is unrealistic--the only nations that require such weapons to invade are ones that you can't invade, because it'll be the end of the world.
vesicles
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OK...... I'm speechless......
This is common knowledge, I'm surprised you haven't heard it until now. Why do you think Iran or NK are trying so hard to develop nukes and missiles? There's no way they can withstand a Desert Storm style invasion, and nukes and missiles are the only method to guarantee their security. Sure, China might be able to withstand such an invasion with conventional weapons, but if it can't, it'll use nukes as well. So the transport subs will either fail at the conventional stage or the nuclear stage against a nuclear power, making it an unrealistic weapon with its tremendous cost vs. its low strategic value.
vesicles
Colonel
You are still not getting my point. Please go back and go through my post #50.
The issue at hand is that you are still looking at China and Iran or NK at the same level. That's frankly insulting. China has never been at the level of Iran or NK, even at its worst time. It's insulting to think that China would need such Hail Mary move to protect itself.
Let's imagine a 100Ib, 5'3" guy gets into a boxing match with a world-class heavyweight boxer. The only way for the little guy to beat the heavyweight is some Hail Mary move, like sacrificing one of his kidneys to deliver a punch. What do you think the big dude would think? The phrase "Hail Mary" would not even cross his mind. He is so confident that he can beat the little guy with his everyday move. It would be a walk in the park. Which one do you think China is in this scenario? What do you think China's ultimate goal would be in this scenario? Does China aim to be the little dude or the heavyweight?
the fact that you still feel that using nukes is an actual option for China in any scenario suggests that you still think of China as this 100Ib 5'3" little dude. China cannot possibly beat anyone without some crazy suicidal move? You may not have realized it yet, but that is simply insulting. China is now in the league of heavyweights. And it is definitely China's ultimate goal to become an elite heavyweight, if not the champion of all heavyweights.
Of course, I'm not saying that China shouldn't acquire nukes at all. All heavyweights still need to practice and sharpen their skills. They still need to be as good as they can, including all their killer moves. But that does not mean they need to use it at the first chance they've got. The goal is that they work out and acquire so much skill that they become simply intimidating and no one dares to challenge them.
You can actually tell the confidence level of a person from their game plan. If they believe that their everyday move is sufficient to beat the opponent, that's confidence. If they include some Hail Mary move in their game plan, that's desperation, lack of confidence and flat out pathetic.
My last post on this subject. Good luck!
I'm gonna use your analogy. Boxers are boxers because they make money for their performances, it's for show, not for use. If someone actually wants personal protection, he'd get a gun. Fancy sub transporters carrying a horde of invading tanks make for a great performance, dazzling, fit for a good book. But if a country really wants security, it gets nukes.
That's not to say conventional weapons are useless, they can be used in a variety of situations that are less grave than defending one's homeland, but transport subs are a very inefficient use of resources to accomplish those goals.
That's not to say conventional weapons are useless, they can be used in a variety of situations that are less grave than defending one's homeland, but transport subs are a very inefficient use of resources to accomplish those goals.